From: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: "'Juanma Barranquero'" <lekktu@gmail.com>
Cc: "'Stephen J. Turnbull'" <stephen@xemacs.org>,
'Miles Bader' <miles@gnu.org>,
'Emacs-Devel devel' <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: RE: `set-variable' should use :set
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 06:40:20 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4EEEE63344BB4696B708EE3C3A8BE349@us.oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinPaCWYymW5sE51ktWCPdKm7aqbg9LViZQ8tojz@mail.gmail.com>
> > ("Obsolete" is not a verb BTW (e.g. "obsoleted"),
>
> It is, according at least to
>
> - Free Merriam-Webster: http://mw1.m-w.com/dictionary/obsoleted
> - Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary:
> http://machaut.uchicago.edu/?resource=Webster%27s&word=obsolete
Oh, fun.
The first of those URLs claims that as a verb it is (only) transitive ("You
obsoleted the bike"). The second of those claims that as a verb it is (only)
intransitive ("You obsoleted, but the bike obsoleted first").
It is not an intransitive verb according to the first URL, and it is not a
transitive verb according to the second. Abracadabra, by Web dictionary
addition it is neither transitive nor intransitive - call it "interesting". ;-)
Anyway, if you're happy with "obsoleted" in the doc it's A OK by me. My remark
was parenthetical and qualified with a "BTW". IOW, it's beside the point.
And as I said (quite earnestly), you _can_ verb any noun. There is no Academie
Anglaise[*]; we take a different view of language (and dictionaries).
So please, manual any words you like, whether or not they can be successfully
dictionaried. A dictionary does not a word make - we make em.
http://www.socialmeteor.com/2009/09/02/facebook-a-verb-thats-whats-happenin/,
http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2008/jul/05/saturdayreviewsfeatres.guardianrevie
w, etc.
Most important is clarity, and I find "However, this feature is largely
obsoleted by `defcustom'" quite clear as far as it goes (it doesn't say why or
how).
My objection to it was a disagreement with what it claims, not how it makes the
claim. And I was clear that even that objection is minor - I find it only "a
bit" presumptuous to pretend that Customize replaces `set-variable'.
Customize obsoletes `set-variable' the same way stalking and killing your own
deer, cleaning it, transporting it, and stewing it obsoletes just grabbing a
bowl of venison stew at the hunting lodge. Customize is an adventure;
`set-variable' is sans drama.
But at least we've escaped the proposal, and without ever needing to proposal
the escape. ;-)
[* At least there was not an Acadamie Anglaise until this summer.
http://www.macmillandictionaryblog.com/lacademie-anglaise. Leave it to the
royals to stand up straight for such silliness - Rule Britannia! On n'arrete
pas le progres.]
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-10-22 13:40 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-10-21 17:25 `set-variable' should use :set Drew Adams
2010-10-22 0:34 ` Miles Bader
2010-10-22 0:48 ` Miles Bader
2010-10-22 1:11 ` Drew Adams
2010-10-22 2:20 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-10-22 4:34 ` Drew Adams
2010-10-22 7:17 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-10-22 8:29 ` David Kastrup
2010-10-22 10:43 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-10-22 13:40 ` Drew Adams [this message]
2010-10-22 14:02 ` David Kastrup
2010-10-22 22:42 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-10-23 4:48 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-10-23 16:13 ` Drew Adams
2010-10-23 17:47 ` Juanma Barranquero
2010-10-23 18:44 ` Glenn Morris
2010-10-23 19:01 ` Jambunathan K
2010-10-24 16:15 ` Chong Yidong
2010-10-22 14:01 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-10-22 16:03 ` Drew Adams
2010-10-22 7:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-10-22 7:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-10-22 8:16 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-10-22 9:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
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