Re: Changing the no-toolkit scrollbar thumb color. (minor issue)

["Jan D." <jan.h.d@swipnet.se>]

Robert J. Chassell wrote:
>     That would be an improovement, but what we really should do if at
>     all feasible is fix the bug.
> 
> I agree with you.  But I don't know what to do.  Incidentally, the
> scroll bars in Emacs configured with --with-x-toolkit=gtk look
> different than the scroll bars on my xterms and on my instances of
> Galeon.  It turns out the feature is not common throughout Gnome, at
> least not in my instance of Gnome.

As Danilo Segan pointed out, xterm is not a GTK application.  I can not see 
thais difference you talk about in other Gnome applications. I do not have 
Galeon unfortunately, so I can not check that.

> This does not have any effect.  I needed
> 
>     widget "*verticalScrollBar*"
> 
> instead of     widget_class "*GtkVScrollbar" 
> 
> and then, when with that, the two colors that took effect most of the
> time were
> 
>       fg[NORMAL] = "red"     # The arrow color.
>       bg[NORMAL] = "yellow"  # The thumb and background around the arrow.
> 
> The other two,
> 
>       bg[ACTIVE] = "blue"    # The trough color.
>       bg[PRELIGHT] = "white" # The thumb color when the mouse is over it.
> 
> did appear, but not very helpfully.  
> 
> The blue was *not* the trough color.  It appeared on the right side of
> the thumb as a narrow line.  

This suggests you have a pixmap based theme.  These can not be customized in 
any reliable way.  Some themse give some effects, others are totally unchanged. 
  You did not say what theme you use.


> As I said, I don't know what to do.  Perhaps your set up is showing
> different colors.  If so, the Emacs documentation should explain what
> to do when you use normal Gnome customizations.
> 
> In any event, I agree with you, this ought to be fixed.

I am more leaning towards removing all customability in the GTK version of 
Emacs.  Mainly because the mechanisms used are not well documented in GTK, they 
have confusing effects depending on what theme you use, but perhaps the most 
important argument, GTK/Gnome has stated that the only customization they 
really support is by themes.

One of the reasons to have GTK in the first place is to get a consistent 
look-and-feel with other GTK/Gnome applications (granted Emacs uses different 
icons).  If customizations are needed, we can recommend another toolkit.

Thoughts?

	Jan D.