bug#40118: 27.0.90; Signing emails with gpg

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* bug#40118: 27.0.90; Signing emails with gpg
@ 2020-03-18 14:51 Sharon Kimble
  2020-04-14 11:10 ` Štěpán Němec
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Sharon Kimble @ 2020-03-18 14:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 40118



When I have -
  --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
(add-hook 'gnus-message-setup-hook 'mml-secure-message-sign)
(add-hook 'message-setup-hook 'mml-secure-message-sign)
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
enabled in emacs26.3 up pops a pinentry box and I input my code and the message sends.

However in 27.0.90 I get this crash report -
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
Debugger entered--Lisp error: (error "Couldn’t find any signer names; try setting `mml-s...")
  signal(error ("Couldn’t find any signer names; try setting `mml-s..."))
  error("Couldn't find any signer names%s" "; try setting `mml-secure-smime-sign-with-sender'.")
  mml-secure-epg-sign(OpenPGP t)
  mml2015-epg-sign((part (sign . "pgpmime") (tag-location . 297) (contents . "\ntesting 1\n  \n-- \nA taste of linux = http://www.sh...")))
  mml2015-sign((part (sign . "pgpmime") (tag-location . 297) (contents . "\ntesting 1\n  \n-- \nA taste of linux = http://www.sh...")))
  mml-pgpmime-sign-buffer((part (sign . "pgpmime") (tag-location . 297) (contents . "\ntesting 1\n  \n-- \nA taste of linux = http://www.sh...")))
  mml-generate-mime-1((part (sign . "pgpmime") (tag-location . 297) (contents . "\ntesting 1\n  \n-- \nA taste of linux = http://www.sh...")))
  mml-generate-mime(nil nil)
  message-encode-message-body()
  message-send-mail(nil)
  message-send-via-mail(nil)
  message-send(nil)
  message-send-and-exit(nil)
  funcall-interactively(message-send-and-exit nil)
  call-interactively(message-send-and-exit)
  orgtbl-ctrl-c-ctrl-c(nil)
  funcall-interactively(orgtbl-ctrl-c-ctrl-c nil)
  call-interactively(orgtbl-ctrl-c-ctrl-c nil nil)
  command-execute(orgtbl-ctrl-c-ctrl-c)
  --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
    
And when looking through the pdf's I built after installing 27.0.90 I can't find how to set 'mml-secure-smime-sign-with-sender''

How can I return to the behaviour of 26.3, but still use 27.0.90, as the only way that I can now send emails is by disabling the 2 lines I showed earlier.

Thanks
Sharon Kimble.   
  
In GNU Emacs 27.0.90 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.24.32)
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* bug#40118: 27.0.90; Signing emails with gpg
  2020-03-18 14:51 bug#40118: 27.0.90; Signing emails with gpg Sharon Kimble
@ 2020-04-14 11:10 ` Štěpán Němec
  2020-04-15 16:37   ` Robert Pluim
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Štěpán Němec @ 2020-04-14 11:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Sharon Kimble; +Cc: 40118

On Wed, 18 Mar 2020 14:51:10 +0000
Sharon Kimble wrote:

> When I have -
>   --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
> (add-hook 'gnus-message-setup-hook 'mml-secure-message-sign)
> (add-hook 'message-setup-hook 'mml-secure-message-sign)
>
> enabled in emacs26.3 up pops a pinentry box and I input my code and the message sends.
>
> However in 27.0.90 I get this crash report -
>
> Debugger entered--Lisp error: (error "Couldn’t find any signer names; try setting `mml-s...")
>   signal(error ("Couldn’t find any signer names; try setting `mml-s..."))
>   error("Couldn't find any signer names%s" "; try setting `mml-secure-smime-sign-with-sender'.")
>   mml-secure-epg-sign(OpenPGP t)
>   mml2015-epg-sign((part (sign . "pgpmime") (tag-location . 297) (contents . "\ntesting 1\n  \n-- \nA taste of linux = http://www.sh...")))
>   mml2015-sign((part (sign . "pgpmime") (tag-location . 297) (contents . "\ntesting 1\n  \n-- \nA taste of linux = http://www.sh...")))
>   mml-pgpmime-sign-buffer((part (sign . "pgpmime") (tag-location . 297) (contents . "\ntesting 1\n  \n-- \nA taste of linux = http://www.sh...")))
>   mml-generate-mime-1((part (sign . "pgpmime") (tag-location . 297) (contents . "\ntesting 1\n  \n-- \nA taste of linux = http://www.sh...")))
>   mml-generate-mime(nil nil)
>   message-encode-message-body()
>   message-send-mail(nil)
>   message-send-via-mail(nil)
>   message-send(nil)
>   message-send-and-exit(nil)
>   funcall-interactively(message-send-and-exit nil)
>   call-interactively(message-send-and-exit)
>   orgtbl-ctrl-c-ctrl-c(nil)
>   funcall-interactively(orgtbl-ctrl-c-ctrl-c nil)
>   call-interactively(orgtbl-ctrl-c-ctrl-c nil nil)
>   command-execute(orgtbl-ctrl-c-ctrl-c)
>   --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
>     
> And when looking through the pdf's I built after installing 27.0.90 I can't find how to set 'mml-secure-smime-sign-with-sender''
>
> How can I return to the behaviour of 26.3, but still use 27.0.90, as
> the only way that I can now send emails is by disabling the 2 lines I
> showed earlier.

You can set `mml-secure-smime-sign-with-sender' (or any other option)
using the command `customize-variable' or simply putting

  (setq mml-secure-smime-sign-with-sender t)

into your init file.

Alternatively, you could set `mm-sign-option' to `guided', then you
should get a menu to select a key, instead of the error (which is
arguably a strange default behaviour).

-- 
Štěpán





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* bug#40118: 27.0.90; Signing emails with gpg
  2020-04-14 11:10 ` Štěpán Němec
@ 2020-04-15 16:37   ` Robert Pluim
  2020-04-15 16:45     ` Eli Zaretskii
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Robert Pluim @ 2020-04-15 16:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Štěpán Němec; +Cc: 40118, Sharon Kimble

>>>>> On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 13:10:50 +0200, Štěpán Němec <stepnem@gmail.com> said:

    >> When I have -
    >> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
    >> (add-hook 'gnus-message-setup-hook 'mml-secure-message-sign)
    >> (add-hook 'message-setup-hook 'mml-secure-message-sign)
    >> 
    >> enabled in emacs26.3 up pops a pinentry box and I input my code and the message sends.
    >> 
    >> However in 27.0.90 I get this crash report -
    >> 
    >> Debugger entered--Lisp error: (error "Couldn’t find any signer names; try setting `mml-s...")
    >> signal(error ("Couldn’t find any signer names; try setting `mml-s..."))
    >> error("Couldn't find any signer names%s" "; try setting `mml-secure-smime-sign-with-sender'.")
    >> mml-secure-epg-sign(OpenPGP t)
    >> mml2015-epg-sign((part (sign . "pgpmime") (tag-location . 297) (contents . "\ntesting 1\n  \n-- \nA taste of linux = http://www.sh...")))
    >> mml2015-sign((part (sign . "pgpmime") (tag-location . 297) (contents . "\ntesting 1\n  \n-- \nA taste of linux = http://www.sh...")))
    >> mml-pgpmime-sign-buffer((part (sign . "pgpmime") (tag-location . 297) (contents . "\ntesting 1\n  \n-- \nA taste of linux = http://www.sh...")))
    >> mml-generate-mime-1((part (sign . "pgpmime") (tag-location . 297) (contents . "\ntesting 1\n  \n-- \nA taste of linux = http://www.sh...")))
    >> mml-generate-mime(nil nil)
    >> message-encode-message-body()
    >> message-send-mail(nil)
    >> message-send-via-mail(nil)
    >> message-send(nil)
    >> message-send-and-exit(nil)
    >> funcall-interactively(message-send-and-exit nil)
    >> call-interactively(message-send-and-exit)
    >> orgtbl-ctrl-c-ctrl-c(nil)
    >> funcall-interactively(orgtbl-ctrl-c-ctrl-c nil)
    >> call-interactively(orgtbl-ctrl-c-ctrl-c nil nil)
    >> command-execute(orgtbl-ctrl-c-ctrl-c)
    >> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
    >> 
    >> And when looking through the pdf's I built after installing 27.0.90 I can't find how to set 'mml-secure-smime-sign-with-sender''
    >>

Click on the 'customize' link shown in the help buffer that pops up
when you do 'C-h v mml-secure-smime-sign-with-sender RET'

    >> How can I return to the behaviour of 26.3, but still use 27.0.90, as
    >> the only way that I can now send emails is by disabling the 2 lines I
    >> showed earlier.

    Štěpán> You can set `mml-secure-smime-sign-with-sender' (or any other option)
    Štěpán> using the command `customize-variable' or simply putting

    Štěpán>   (setq mml-secure-smime-sign-with-sender t)

mml-secure-smime-sign-with sender has no effect when signing with pgp,
you'd need to set mml-secure-openpgp-sign-with-sender.

I can adjust the message easily enough, but I honestly think both of
those variables should default to t, not nil. And I think we should do
that in emacs-27 [1]. Eli?

(and we should implement a more sophisticated form of 'mm-sign-option'
'guided in master).

Robert

Footnotes:
[1]  Power users will already have set or know how to set
     'mml-secure-openpgp-signers' and the like








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* bug#40118: 27.0.90; Signing emails with gpg
  2020-04-15 16:37   ` Robert Pluim
@ 2020-04-15 16:45     ` Eli Zaretskii
  2020-04-16  9:44       ` Robert Pluim
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2020-04-15 16:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Robert Pluim; +Cc: stepnem, 40118, boudiccas

> From: Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com>
> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 18:37:51 +0200
> Cc: 40118@debbugs.gnu.org, Sharon Kimble <boudiccas@skimble.plus.com>
> 
> mml-secure-smime-sign-with sender has no effect when signing with pgp,
> you'd need to set mml-secure-openpgp-sign-with-sender.
> 
> I can adjust the message easily enough, but I honestly think both of
> those variables should default to t, not nil. And I think we should do
> that in emacs-27 [1]. Eli?

I don't think I understand the issue well enough to have an opinion on
its merits and demerits.





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* bug#40118: 27.0.90; Signing emails with gpg
  2020-04-15 16:45     ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2020-04-16  9:44       ` Robert Pluim
  2020-04-16 10:15         ` Eli Zaretskii
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Robert Pluim @ 2020-04-16  9:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: stepnem, 40118, boudiccas

>>>>> On Wed, 15 Apr 2020 19:45:27 +0300, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> said:

    >> From: Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com>
    >> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 18:37:51 +0200
    >> Cc: 40118@debbugs.gnu.org, Sharon Kimble <boudiccas@skimble.plus.com>
    >> 
    >> mml-secure-smime-sign-with sender has no effect when signing with pgp,
    >> you'd need to set mml-secure-openpgp-sign-with-sender.
    >> 
    >> I can adjust the message easily enough, but I honestly think both of
    >> those variables should default to t, not nil. And I think we should do
    >> that in emacs-27 [1]. Eli?

    Eli> I don't think I understand the issue well enough to have an opinion on
    Eli> its merits and demerits.

In emacs-26, mml-secure-epg-sign could specify that a message should
be signed with a key based on the senderʼs email address. If the
variable governing that was nil, it was left to gpg to figure out the
key to use. Normally that means gpg uses its default key.

In emacs-27, mml-secure-epg-sign now checks explicitly whether that
variable is nil, and refuses to continue. With an error message that
in at least 50% of the cases points the user to the wrong user
option. This is a regression from emacs-26.

Fixing the error message is easy. Iʼm proposing that by default the
senderʼs email address is used to determine the key to use, since
thatʼs what almost everyone will want. People who donʼt want that can
control the behaviour by either adding keys to
'mml-secure-openpgp-signers' or by setting 'mm-sign-option' to
'guided.

Robert

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* bug#40118: 27.0.90; Signing emails with gpg
  2020-04-16  9:44       ` Robert Pluim
@ 2020-04-16 10:15         ` Eli Zaretskii
  2020-04-16 10:38           ` Robert Pluim
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2020-04-16 10:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Robert Pluim; +Cc: stepnem, 40118, boudiccas

> From: Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com>
> Cc: stepnem@gmail.com,  40118@debbugs.gnu.org,  boudiccas@skimble.plus.com
> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 11:44:51 +0200
> 
> In emacs-26, mml-secure-epg-sign could specify that a message should
> be signed with a key based on the senderʼs email address. If the
> variable governing that was nil, it was left to gpg to figure out the
> key to use. Normally that means gpg uses its default key.
> 
> In emacs-27, mml-secure-epg-sign now checks explicitly whether that
> variable is nil, and refuses to continue.

Why was this change in behavior made in Emacs 27?

> With an error message that in at least 50% of the cases points the
> user to the wrong user option. This is a regression from emacs-26.
> 
> Fixing the error message is easy. Iʼm proposing that by default the
> senderʼs email address is used to determine the key to use, since
> thatʼs what almost everyone will want. People who donʼt want that can
> control the behaviour by either adding keys to
> 'mml-secure-openpgp-signers' or by setting 'mm-sign-option' to
> 'guided.

I'd prefer to have a behavior that didn't require any changes, if
possible.  Thus the above question.  If having a compatible behavior
is impractical, then let's discuss what would the lesser evil.

Thanks.





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* bug#40118: 27.0.90; Signing emails with gpg
  2020-04-16 10:15         ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2020-04-16 10:38           ` Robert Pluim
  2020-04-17 15:11             ` Robert Pluim
  2020-04-30  4:33             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: Robert Pluim @ 2020-04-16 10:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: larsi, stepnem, 40118, boudiccas

>>>>> On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 13:15:02 +0300, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> said:

    >> From: Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com>
    >> Cc: stepnem@gmail.com,  40118@debbugs.gnu.org,  boudiccas@skimble.plus.com
    >> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 11:44:51 +0200
    >> 
    >> In emacs-26, mml-secure-epg-sign could specify that a message should
    >> be signed with a key based on the senderʼs email address. If the
    >> variable governing that was nil, it was left to gpg to figure out the
    >> key to use. Normally that means gpg uses its default key.
    >> 
    >> In emacs-27, mml-secure-epg-sign now checks explicitly whether that
    >> variable is nil, and refuses to continue.

    Eli> Why was this change in behavior made in Emacs 27?

I donʼt know. Lars? (and why only for signing and not encrypting?)

    commit 9c81149ae9165b0f017d60d141221b340879baef
    Author: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
    Date:   Wed Oct 9 21:55:41 2019 +0200

        Make mml-secure-epg-sign bug out if we can't find an identity

        * lisp/gnus/mml-sec.el (mml-secure-epg-sign): Bug out if we
        couldn't find anything to sign with instead of silently pretending
        to sign.

    >> With an error message that in at least 50% of the cases points the
    >> user to the wrong user option. This is a regression from emacs-26.
    >> 
    >> Fixing the error message is easy. Iʼm proposing that by default the
    >> senderʼs email address is used to determine the key to use, since
    >> thatʼs what almost everyone will want. People who donʼt want that can
    >> control the behaviour by either adding keys to
    >> 'mml-secure-openpgp-signers' or by setting 'mm-sign-option' to
    >> 'guided.

    Eli> I'd prefer to have a behavior that didn't require any changes, if
    Eli> possible.  Thus the above question.  If having a compatible behavior
    Eli> is impractical, then let's discuss what would the lesser evil.

setting mml-secure-smime-sign-with-sender and
mml-secure-openpgp-sign-with-sender to t gets us back to the previous
behaviour in the default case. People that didnʼt want that behaviour
would already have set mml-secure-openpgp-signers and/or
mm-sign-option.

Actually, setting those two options to t would result in a behaviour
change for people who use mml-secure-{openpgp,smime}-signers to select a
signing key thatʼs not the same as the one for the sender. I think
those people fall in the 'know what theyʼre doing' category, and they
can set them back to nil.

I think the absolute minimum we should do for emacs-27 is this:

diff --git a/lisp/gnus/mml-sec.el b/lisp/gnus/mml-sec.el
index 740e1d2b72..395c1e8253 100644
--- a/lisp/gnus/mml-sec.el
+++ b/lisp/gnus/mml-sec.el
@@ -946,12 +946,14 @@ mml-secure-epg-sign
 	 signature micalg)
     (unless signers
       (let ((maybe-msg
-             (if mml-secure-smime-sign-with-sender
+             (if (or mml-secure-smime-sign-with-sender
+                     mml-secure-openpgp-sign-with-sender)
                  "."
-               "; try setting `mml-secure-smime-sign-with-sender'.")))
-        ;; If `mml-secure-smime-sign-with-sender' is already non-nil
-        ;; then there's no point advising the user to examine it.  If
-        ;; there are any other variables worth examining, please
+               "; try setting `mml-secure-smime-sign-with-sender' or 'mml-secure-openpgp-sign-with-sender'.")))
+        ;; If `mml-secure-smime-sign-with-sender' or
+        ;; `mml-secure-openpgp-sign-with-sender' are already non-nil
+        ;; then there's no point advising the user to examine them.
+        ;; If there are any other variables worth examining, please
         ;; improve this error message by having it mention them.
         (error "Couldn't find any signer names%s" maybe-msg)))
     (when (eq 'OpenPGP protocol)





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* bug#40118: 27.0.90; Signing emails with gpg
  2020-04-16 10:38           ` Robert Pluim
@ 2020-04-17 15:11             ` Robert Pluim
  2020-04-20 10:52               ` Robert Pluim
  2020-04-30  4:33             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Robert Pluim @ 2020-04-17 15:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: larsi, stepnem, 40118

Since itʼs Friday afternoon, what Eli really wants to do is make
another decision on whether to let something into emacs-27 just before
the next rc. How about this? If itʼs not OK Iʼll just adjust the error
message, if it is OK Iʼll write a NEWS entry.

diff --git a/lisp/gnus/mml-sec.el b/lisp/gnus/mml-sec.el
index 740e1d2b72..8abe83b937 100644
--- a/lisp/gnus/mml-sec.el
+++ b/lisp/gnus/mml-sec.el
@@ -937,6 +937,47 @@ mml-secure-epg-encrypt
        (signal (car error) (cdr error))))
     cipher))
 
+(defun mml-secure-sender-sign-query (protocol sender)
+  "Query whether to use SENDER to sign when using PROTOCOL.
+PROTOCOL will be `OpenPGP' or `CMS' (smime).
+This can also save the resulting value of
+`mml-secure-smime-sign-with-sender' or
+`mml-secure-openpgp-sign-with-sender' via Customize.
+Returns non-nil if the user has chosen to use SENDER."
+  (let ((buffer (get-buffer-create "*MML sender signing options*"))
+        (options '((?a "always" "Sign using this sender now and sign with message sender in future.")
+                   (?s "session only" "Sign using this sender now, and sign with message sender for this session only.")
+                   (?n "no" "Do not sign this message (and error out)")))
+        answer done val)
+    (save-window-excursion
+      (pop-to-buffer buffer)
+      (erase-buffer)
+      (insert (format "No %s signing key was found for this message.\nThe sender of this message is \"%s\".\nWould you like to attempt looking up a signing key based on it?"
+                      (if (eq protocol 'OpenPGP)
+                          "openpgp" "smime")
+                      sender))
+      (while (not done)
+        (setq answer (read-multiple-choice "Sign this message using the sender?" options))
+        (cl-case (car answer)
+          (?a
+           (if (eq protocol 'OpenPGP)
+               (progn
+                 (setq mml-secure-openpgp-sign-with-sender t)
+                 (customize-save-variable 'mml-secure-openpgp-sign-with-sender t))
+             (setq mml-secure-smime-sign-with-sender t)
+             (customize-save-variable 'mml-secure-smime-sign-with-sender t))
+           (setq done t
+                 val t))
+          (?s
+           (if (eq protocol 'OpenPGP)
+               (setq mml-secure-openpgp-sign-with-sender t)
+             (setq mml-secure-smime-sign-with-sender t))
+           (setq done t
+                 val t))
+          (?n
+           (setq done t)))))
+    val))
+
 (defun mml-secure-epg-sign (protocol mode)
   ;; Based on code appearing inside mml2015-epg-sign.
   (let* ((context (epg-make-context protocol))
@@ -945,15 +986,21 @@ mml-secure-epg-sign
 	 (signers (mml-secure-signers context signer-names))
 	 signature micalg)
     (unless signers
-      (let ((maybe-msg
-             (if mml-secure-smime-sign-with-sender
-                 "."
-               "; try setting `mml-secure-smime-sign-with-sender'.")))
-        ;; If `mml-secure-smime-sign-with-sender' is already non-nil
-        ;; then there's no point advising the user to examine it.  If
-        ;; there are any other variables worth examining, please
-        ;; improve this error message by having it mention them.
-        (error "Couldn't find any signer names%s" maybe-msg)))
+      (if (mml-secure-sender-sign-query protocol sender)
+          (setq signer-names (mml-secure-signer-names protocol sender)
+                signers (mml-secure-signers context signer-names)))
+      (unless signers
+        (let ((maybe-msg
+               (if (or mml-secure-smime-sign-with-sender
+                       mml-secure-openpgp-sign-with-sender)
+                   "."
+                 "; try setting `mml-secure-smime-sign-with-sender' or 'mml-secure-openpgp-sign-with-sender'.")))
+          ;; If `mml-secure-smime-sign-with-sender' or
+          ;; `mml-secure-openpgp-sign-with-sender' are already non-nil
+          ;; then there's no point advising the user to examine them.
+          ;; If there are any other variables worth examining, please
+          ;; improve this error message by having it mention them.
+          (error "Couldn't find any signer names%s" maybe-msg))))
     (when (eq 'OpenPGP protocol)
       (setf (epg-context-armor context) t)
       (setf (epg-context-textmode context) t)





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* bug#40118: 27.0.90; Signing emails with gpg
  2020-04-17 15:11             ` Robert Pluim
@ 2020-04-20 10:52               ` Robert Pluim
  2020-04-20 16:24                 ` Eli Zaretskii
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Robert Pluim @ 2020-04-20 10:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: larsi, stepnem, 40118

>>>>> On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 17:11:53 +0200, Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com> said:

ping. Eli, full patch to emacs-27, or just error message change to
emacs-27?

Just to reiterate: this is a regression from emacs-26

    Robert> Since itʼs Friday afternoon, what Eli really wants to do is make
    Robert> another decision on whether to let something into emacs-27 just before
    Robert> the next rc. How about this? If itʼs not OK Iʼll just adjust the error
    Robert> message, if it is OK Iʼll write a NEWS entry.

    Robert> diff --git a/lisp/gnus/mml-sec.el b/lisp/gnus/mml-sec.el
    Robert> index 740e1d2b72..8abe83b937 100644
    Robert> --- a/lisp/gnus/mml-sec.el
    Robert> +++ b/lisp/gnus/mml-sec.el
    Robert> @@ -937,6 +937,47 @@ mml-secure-epg-encrypt
    Robert>         (signal (car error) (cdr error))))
    Robert>      cipher))
 
    Robert> +(defun mml-secure-sender-sign-query (protocol sender)
    Robert> +  "Query whether to use SENDER to sign when using PROTOCOL.
    Robert> +PROTOCOL will be `OpenPGP' or `CMS' (smime).
    Robert> +This can also save the resulting value of
    Robert> +`mml-secure-smime-sign-with-sender' or
    Robert> +`mml-secure-openpgp-sign-with-sender' via Customize.
    Robert> +Returns non-nil if the user has chosen to use SENDER."
    Robert> +  (let ((buffer (get-buffer-create "*MML sender signing options*"))
    Robert> +        (options '((?a "always" "Sign using this sender now and sign with message sender in future.")
    Robert> +                   (?s "session only" "Sign using this sender now, and sign with message sender for this session only.")
    Robert> +                   (?n "no" "Do not sign this message (and error out)")))
    Robert> +        answer done val)
    Robert> +    (save-window-excursion
    Robert> +      (pop-to-buffer buffer)
    Robert> +      (erase-buffer)
    Robert> +      (insert (format "No %s signing key was found for this message.\nThe sender of this message is \"%s\".\nWould you like to attempt looking up a signing key based on it?"
    Robert> +                      (if (eq protocol 'OpenPGP)
    Robert> +                          "openpgp" "smime")
    Robert> +                      sender))
    Robert> +      (while (not done)
    Robert> +        (setq answer (read-multiple-choice "Sign this message using the sender?" options))
    Robert> +        (cl-case (car answer)
    Robert> +          (?a
    Robert> +           (if (eq protocol 'OpenPGP)
    Robert> +               (progn
    Robert> +                 (setq mml-secure-openpgp-sign-with-sender t)
    Robert> +                 (customize-save-variable 'mml-secure-openpgp-sign-with-sender t))
    Robert> +             (setq mml-secure-smime-sign-with-sender t)
    Robert> +             (customize-save-variable 'mml-secure-smime-sign-with-sender t))
    Robert> +           (setq done t
    Robert> +                 val t))
    Robert> +          (?s
    Robert> +           (if (eq protocol 'OpenPGP)
    Robert> +               (setq mml-secure-openpgp-sign-with-sender t)
    Robert> +             (setq mml-secure-smime-sign-with-sender t))
    Robert> +           (setq done t
    Robert> +                 val t))
    Robert> +          (?n
    Robert> +           (setq done t)))))
    Robert> +    val))
    Robert> +
    Robert>  (defun mml-secure-epg-sign (protocol mode)
    Robert>    ;; Based on code appearing inside mml2015-epg-sign.
    Robert>    (let* ((context (epg-make-context protocol))
    Robert> @@ -945,15 +986,21 @@ mml-secure-epg-sign
    Robert>  	 (signers (mml-secure-signers context signer-names))
    Robert>  	 signature micalg)
    Robert>      (unless signers
    Robert> -      (let ((maybe-msg
    Robert> -             (if mml-secure-smime-sign-with-sender
    Robert> -                 "."
    Robert> -               "; try setting `mml-secure-smime-sign-with-sender'.")))
    Robert> -        ;; If `mml-secure-smime-sign-with-sender' is already non-nil
    Robert> -        ;; then there's no point advising the user to examine it.  If
    Robert> -        ;; there are any other variables worth examining, please
    Robert> -        ;; improve this error message by having it mention them.
    Robert> -        (error "Couldn't find any signer names%s" maybe-msg)))
    Robert> +      (if (mml-secure-sender-sign-query protocol sender)
    Robert> +          (setq signer-names (mml-secure-signer-names protocol sender)
    Robert> +                signers (mml-secure-signers context signer-names)))
    Robert> +      (unless signers
    Robert> +        (let ((maybe-msg
    Robert> +               (if (or mml-secure-smime-sign-with-sender
    Robert> +                       mml-secure-openpgp-sign-with-sender)
    Robert> +                   "."
    Robert> +                 "; try setting `mml-secure-smime-sign-with-sender' or 'mml-secure-openpgp-sign-with-sender'.")))
    Robert> +          ;; If `mml-secure-smime-sign-with-sender' or
    Robert> +          ;; `mml-secure-openpgp-sign-with-sender' are already non-nil
    Robert> +          ;; then there's no point advising the user to examine them.
    Robert> +          ;; If there are any other variables worth examining, please
    Robert> +          ;; improve this error message by having it mention them.
    Robert> +          (error "Couldn't find any signer names%s" maybe-msg))))
    Robert>      (when (eq 'OpenPGP protocol)
    Robert>        (setf (epg-context-armor context) t)
    Robert>        (setf (epg-context-textmode context) t)





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* bug#40118: 27.0.90; Signing emails with gpg
  2020-04-20 10:52               ` Robert Pluim
@ 2020-04-20 16:24                 ` Eli Zaretskii
  2020-04-20 16:58                   ` Robert Pluim
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2020-04-20 16:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Robert Pluim; +Cc: larsi, stepnem, 40118

> From: Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com>
> Cc: larsi@gnus.org,  stepnem@gmail.com,  40118@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 12:52:00 +0200
> 
> >>>>> On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 17:11:53 +0200, Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com> said:
> 
> ping. Eli, full patch to emacs-27, or just error message change to
> emacs-27?

Oops, sorry, I wasn't aware you were waiting for me.
I'm a bit nervous that Lars didn't respond.

This code will be executed when? every time the user sends a message
from Gnus?  And you are sure this change is safe and bug-free? and are
very eager to install on emacs-27? Then I guess it's okay, fingers
crossed...





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* bug#40118: 27.0.90; Signing emails with gpg
  2020-04-20 16:24                 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2020-04-20 16:58                   ` Robert Pluim
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: Robert Pluim @ 2020-04-20 16:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: larsi, stepnem, 40118

>>>>> On Mon, 20 Apr 2020 19:24:03 +0300, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> said:

    >> From: Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com>
    >> Cc: larsi@gnus.org,  stepnem@gmail.com,  40118@debbugs.gnu.org
    >> Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 12:52:00 +0200
    >> 
    >> >>>>> On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 17:11:53 +0200, Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com> said:
    >> 
    >> ping. Eli, full patch to emacs-27, or just error message change to
    >> emacs-27?

    Eli> Oops, sorry, I wasn't aware you were waiting for me.
    Eli> I'm a bit nervous that Lars didn't respond.

    Eli> This code will be executed when? every time the user sends a message
    Eli> from Gnus?  And you are sure this change is safe and bug-free? and are
    Eli> very eager to install on emacs-27? Then I guess it's okay, fingers
    Eli> crossed...

Every time the user has requested that Gnus send a signed message, and
has not previously configured the keys(s) to be used for
signing. modulo bugs, but the change is not that complicated.

Although, given the lack of desire for people to sign their email
using gpg [1], maybe itʼs not that urgent after all (and updating the
message gets us a long way towards the solution).

Iʼll sit down with my dinner and a nice glass of rosé and think about
it some more :-)

Robert

Footnotes:
[1]  Itʼs something I used to do systematically, but nowadays people
     complain about this strange blob they see, or their servers strip
     'potentially dangerous' attachments, and a whole host of other
     idiocies.





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* bug#40118: 27.0.90; Signing emails with gpg
  2020-04-16 10:38           ` Robert Pluim
  2020-04-17 15:11             ` Robert Pluim
@ 2020-04-30  4:33             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
  2020-04-30  7:37               ` Robert Pluim
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2020-04-30  4:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Robert Pluim; +Cc: stepnem, 40118, boudiccas

Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com> writes:

> I donʼt know. Lars? (and why only for signing and not encrypting?)
>
>     commit 9c81149ae9165b0f017d60d141221b340879baef
>     Author: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
>     Date:   Wed Oct 9 21:55:41 2019 +0200
>
>         Make mml-secure-epg-sign bug out if we can't find an identity
>
>         * lisp/gnus/mml-sec.el (mml-secure-epg-sign): Bug out if we
>         couldn't find anything to sign with instead of silently pretending
>         to sign.

It's odd that the commit isn't tied to a bug report, because I remember
twiddling with this stuff as a result of a report?

Anyway, I think it's correct to bug out here if we can't find a signer,
but the error message is, as you note, somewhat wrong.

I think.  As you note, it's odd that it's only doing this when signing
and not encrypting.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no





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* bug#40118: 27.0.90; Signing emails with gpg
  2020-04-30  4:33             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
@ 2020-04-30  7:37               ` Robert Pluim
  2020-04-30 22:03                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Robert Pluim @ 2020-04-30  7:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Lars Ingebrigtsen; +Cc: stepnem, 40118, boudiccas

>>>>> On Thu, 30 Apr 2020 06:33:39 +0200, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> said:

    Lars> Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com> writes:
    >> I donʼt know. Lars? (and why only for signing and not encrypting?)
    >> 
    >> commit 9c81149ae9165b0f017d60d141221b340879baef
    >> Author: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
    >> Date:   Wed Oct 9 21:55:41 2019 +0200
    >> 
    >> Make mml-secure-epg-sign bug out if we can't find an identity
    >> 
    >> * lisp/gnus/mml-sec.el (mml-secure-epg-sign): Bug out if we
    >> couldn't find anything to sign with instead of silently pretending
    >> to sign.

    Lars> It's odd that the commit isn't tied to a bug report, because I remember
    Lars> twiddling with this stuff as a result of a report?

    Lars> Anyway, I think it's correct to bug out here if we can't find a signer,
    Lars> but the error message is, as you note, somewhat wrong.

I donʼt think itʼs correct: previous to this change, telling gnus to
sign an email would result in gpg using your default key, which in 99%
of the cases is the right thing to do. The 1% know how to override it.

Hence my strong desire to set
mml-secure-{smime,openpgp}-sign-with-sender to t. Or do the query
thing I proposed a patch for earlier. Or update the message.

In that order of preference, I think.

    Lars> I think.  As you note, it's odd that it's only doing this when signing
    Lars> and not encrypting.

Thatʼs a separate issue. And proobably only affects 1% of the 1% :-)

Robert





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* bug#40118: 27.0.90; Signing emails with gpg
  2020-04-30  7:37               ` Robert Pluim
@ 2020-04-30 22:03                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
  2020-05-05 12:46                   ` Robert Pluim
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2020-04-30 22:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Robert Pluim; +Cc: stepnem, 40118, boudiccas

Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com> writes:

> I donʼt think itʼs correct: previous to this change, telling gnus to
> sign an email would result in gpg using your default key, which in 99%
> of the cases is the right thing to do. The 1% know how to override it.

Oh, right.  That reminds me of why I added that -- Gnus would just bug
out later (on my setup) without it.  Apparently I don't have a default
key?

But if what you say is the case, then removing the error-out sounds like
the thing to do in emacs-27, and then work more on this on master.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no

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* bug#40118: 27.0.90; Signing emails with gpg
  2020-04-30 22:03                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
@ 2020-05-05 12:46                   ` Robert Pluim
  2020-05-05 15:06                     ` Eli Zaretskii
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Robert Pluim @ 2020-05-05 12:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Lars Ingebrigtsen; +Cc: stepnem, 40118

>>>>> On Fri, 01 May 2020 00:03:03 +0200, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> said:

    Lars> Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com> writes:
    >> I donʼt think itʼs correct: previous to this change, telling gnus to
    >> sign an email would result in gpg using your default key, which in 99%
    >> of the cases is the right thing to do. The 1% know how to override it.

    Lars> Oh, right.  That reminds me of why I added that -- Gnus would just bug
    Lars> out later (on my setup) without it.  Apparently I don't have a default
    Lars> key?

Or you have more than one key, and you haven't told gpg which one is
preferred.

    Lars> But if what you say is the case, then removing the error-out sounds like
    Lars> the thing to do in emacs-27, and then work more on this on master.

We can do that as well, and put the querying code in master. Eli?

Robert





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* bug#40118: 27.0.90; Signing emails with gpg
  2020-05-05 12:46                   ` Robert Pluim
@ 2020-05-05 15:06                     ` Eli Zaretskii
  2020-05-05 15:23                       ` Robert Pluim
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2020-05-05 15:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Robert Pluim; +Cc: larsi, stepnem, 40118

> From: Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com>
> Date: Tue, 05 May 2020 14:46:10 +0200
> Cc: stepnem@gmail.com, 40118@debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> >>>>> On Fri, 01 May 2020 00:03:03 +0200, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> said:
> 
>     Lars> But if what you say is the case, then removing the error-out sounds like
>     Lars> the thing to do in emacs-27, and then work more on this on master.
> 
> We can do that as well, and put the querying code in master. Eli?

Can you show me the changes for emacs-27, please?

Thanks.





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* bug#40118: 27.0.90; Signing emails with gpg
  2020-05-05 15:06                     ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2020-05-05 15:23                       ` Robert Pluim
  2020-05-05 16:07                         ` Eli Zaretskii
  2020-09-30 14:57                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: Robert Pluim @ 2020-05-05 15:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: larsi, stepnem, 40118

>>>>> On Tue, 05 May 2020 18:06:39 +0300, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> said:

    >> We can do that as well, and put the querying code in master. Eli?

    Eli> Can you show me the changes for emacs-27, please?

    Eli> Thanks.

* lisp/gnus/mml-sec.el (mml-secure-epg-sign): Partially revert
"Make mml-secure-epg-sign bug out if we can't find an identity".
It causes signing to fail for people who have not set up
mml-secure-{smime,openpgp}-sign-with-sender, which is a regression
from Emacs-26 (Bug#40118).

Do not merge to master.
        
diff --git a/lisp/gnus/mml-sec.el b/lisp/gnus/mml-sec.el
index 740e1d2b72..8d77916e99 100644
--- a/lisp/gnus/mml-sec.el
+++ b/lisp/gnus/mml-sec.el
@@ -944,16 +944,6 @@ mml-secure-epg-sign
 	 (signer-names (mml-secure-signer-names protocol sender))
 	 (signers (mml-secure-signers context signer-names))
 	 signature micalg)
-    (unless signers
-      (let ((maybe-msg
-             (if mml-secure-smime-sign-with-sender
-                 "."
-               "; try setting `mml-secure-smime-sign-with-sender'.")))
-        ;; If `mml-secure-smime-sign-with-sender' is already non-nil
-        ;; then there's no point advising the user to examine it.  If
-        ;; there are any other variables worth examining, please
-        ;; improve this error message by having it mention them.
-        (error "Couldn't find any signer names%s" maybe-msg)))
     (when (eq 'OpenPGP protocol)
       (setf (epg-context-armor context) t)
       (setf (epg-context-textmode context) t)





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* bug#40118: 27.0.90; Signing emails with gpg
  2020-05-05 15:23                       ` Robert Pluim
@ 2020-05-05 16:07                         ` Eli Zaretskii
  2020-09-30 14:57                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2020-05-05 16:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Robert Pluim; +Cc: larsi, stepnem, 40118

> From: Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com>
> Cc: larsi@gnus.org,  stepnem@gmail.com,  40118@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Tue, 05 May 2020 17:23:44 +0200
> 
> >>>>> On Tue, 05 May 2020 18:06:39 +0300, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> said:
> 
>     >> We can do that as well, and put the querying code in master. Eli?
> 
>     Eli> Can you show me the changes for emacs-27, please?
> 
>     Eli> Thanks.
> 
> * lisp/gnus/mml-sec.el (mml-secure-epg-sign): Partially revert
> "Make mml-secure-epg-sign bug out if we can't find an identity".
> It causes signing to fail for people who have not set up
> mml-secure-{smime,openpgp}-sign-with-sender, which is a regression
> from Emacs-26 (Bug#40118).

Fine with me, thanks.





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* bug#40118: 27.0.90; Signing emails with gpg
  2020-05-05 15:23                       ` Robert Pluim
  2020-05-05 16:07                         ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2020-09-30 14:57                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
  2020-09-30 16:44                           ` Robert Pluim
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2020-09-30 14:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Robert Pluim; +Cc: stepnem, 40118

Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com> writes:

> * lisp/gnus/mml-sec.el (mml-secure-epg-sign): Partially revert
> "Make mml-secure-epg-sign bug out if we can't find an identity".
> It causes signing to fail for people who have not set up
> mml-secure-{smime,openpgp}-sign-with-sender, which is a regression
> from Emacs-26 (Bug#40118).

OK, this was applied to Emacs 27, but the general problem is still
present on the trunk, I think?

Robert, did you have any thoughts about how to fix this in general, or
is the error-ing out in mml-secure-epg-sign just misguided? 

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no





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* bug#40118: 27.0.90; Signing emails with gpg
  2020-09-30 14:57                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
@ 2020-09-30 16:44                           ` Robert Pluim
  2020-10-01  0:16                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Robert Pluim @ 2020-09-30 16:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Lars Ingebrigtsen; +Cc: stepnem, 40118

>>>>> On Wed, 30 Sep 2020 16:57:37 +0200, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> said:

    Lars> Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com> writes:
    >> * lisp/gnus/mml-sec.el (mml-secure-epg-sign): Partially revert
    >> "Make mml-secure-epg-sign bug out if we can't find an identity".
    >> It causes signing to fail for people who have not set up
    >> mml-secure-{smime,openpgp}-sign-with-sender, which is a regression
    >> from Emacs-26 (Bug#40118).

    Lars> OK, this was applied to Emacs 27, but the general problem is still
    Lars> present on the trunk, I think?

I donʼt think it was applied to emacs-27.

    Lars> Robert, did you have any thoughts about how to fix this in general, or
    Lars> is the error-ing out in mml-secure-epg-sign just misguided? 

This is what I came up with at the time. master-only, I think.

diff --git a/lisp/gnus/mml-sec.el b/lisp/gnus/mml-sec.el
index 740e1d2b72..8abe83b937 100644
--- a/lisp/gnus/mml-sec.el
+++ b/lisp/gnus/mml-sec.el
@@ -937,6 +937,47 @@ mml-secure-epg-encrypt
        (signal (car error) (cdr error))))
     cipher))
 
+(defun mml-secure-sender-sign-query (protocol sender)
+  "Query whether to use SENDER to sign when using PROTOCOL.
+PROTOCOL will be `OpenPGP' or `CMS' (smime).
+This can also save the resulting value of
+`mml-secure-smime-sign-with-sender' or
+`mml-secure-openpgp-sign-with-sender' via Customize.
+Returns non-nil if the user has chosen to use SENDER."
+  (let ((buffer (get-buffer-create "*MML sender signing options*"))
+        (options '((?a "always" "Sign using this sender now and sign with message sender in future.")
+                   (?s "session only" "Sign using this sender now, and sign with message sender for this session only.")
+                   (?n "no" "Do not sign this message (and error out)")))
+        answer done val)
+    (save-window-excursion
+      (pop-to-buffer buffer)
+      (erase-buffer)
+      (insert (format "No %s signing key was found for this message.\nThe sender of this message is \"%s\".\nWould you like to attempt looking up a signing key based on it?"
+                      (if (eq protocol 'OpenPGP)
+                          "openpgp" "smime")
+                      sender))
+      (while (not done)
+        (setq answer (read-multiple-choice "Sign this message using the sender?" options))
+        (cl-case (car answer)
+          (?a
+           (if (eq protocol 'OpenPGP)
+               (progn
+                 (setq mml-secure-openpgp-sign-with-sender t)
+                 (customize-save-variable 'mml-secure-openpgp-sign-with-sender t))
+             (setq mml-secure-smime-sign-with-sender t)
+             (customize-save-variable 'mml-secure-smime-sign-with-sender t))
+           (setq done t
+                 val t))
+          (?s
+           (if (eq protocol 'OpenPGP)
+               (setq mml-secure-openpgp-sign-with-sender t)
+             (setq mml-secure-smime-sign-with-sender t))
+           (setq done t
+                 val t))
+          (?n
+           (setq done t)))))
+    val))
+
 (defun mml-secure-epg-sign (protocol mode)
   ;; Based on code appearing inside mml2015-epg-sign.
   (let* ((context (epg-make-context protocol))
@@ -945,15 +986,21 @@ mml-secure-epg-sign
 	 (signers (mml-secure-signers context signer-names))
 	 signature micalg)
     (unless signers
-      (let ((maybe-msg
-             (if mml-secure-smime-sign-with-sender
-                 "."
-               "; try setting `mml-secure-smime-sign-with-sender'.")))
-        ;; If `mml-secure-smime-sign-with-sender' is already non-nil
-        ;; then there's no point advising the user to examine it.  If
-        ;; there are any other variables worth examining, please
-        ;; improve this error message by having it mention them.
-        (error "Couldn't find any signer names%s" maybe-msg)))
+      (if (mml-secure-sender-sign-query protocol sender)
+          (setq signer-names (mml-secure-signer-names protocol sender)
+                signers (mml-secure-signers context signer-names)))
+      (unless signers
+        (let ((maybe-msg
+               (if (or mml-secure-smime-sign-with-sender
+                       mml-secure-openpgp-sign-with-sender)
+                   "."
+                 "; try setting `mml-secure-smime-sign-with-sender' or 'mml-secure-openpgp-sign-with-sender'.")))
+          ;; If `mml-secure-smime-sign-with-sender' or
+          ;; `mml-secure-openpgp-sign-with-sender' are already non-nil
+          ;; then there's no point advising the user to examine them.
+          ;; If there are any other variables worth examining, please
+          ;; improve this error message by having it mention them.
+          (error "Couldn't find any signer names%s" maybe-msg))))
     (when (eq 'OpenPGP protocol)
       (setf (epg-context-armor context) t)
       (setf (epg-context-textmode context) t)

Robert
-- 





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* bug#40118: 27.0.90; Signing emails with gpg
  2020-09-30 16:44                           ` Robert Pluim
@ 2020-10-01  0:16                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
  2020-10-01 17:41                               ` Robert Pluim
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2020-10-01  0:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Robert Pluim; +Cc: stepnem, 40118

Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com> writes:

> This is what I came up with at the time. master-only, I think.

Looks good to me, so after a bit of testing I just went ahead and pushed
it to Emacs 28.  I also removed the ad-hoc
mml-secure-allow-signing-with-unknown-recipient variable I introduced in
August.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no





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* bug#40118: 27.0.90; Signing emails with gpg
  2020-10-01  0:16                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
@ 2020-10-01 17:41                               ` Robert Pluim
  2020-10-01 17:43                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Robert Pluim @ 2020-10-01 17:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Lars Ingebrigtsen; +Cc: stepnem, 40118

>>>>> On Thu, 01 Oct 2020 02:16:02 +0200, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> said:

    Lars> Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com> writes:
    >> This is what I came up with at the time. master-only, I think.

    Lars> Looks good to me, so after a bit of testing I just went ahead and pushed
    Lars> it to Emacs 28.  I also removed the ad-hoc
    Lars> mml-secure-allow-signing-with-unknown-recipient variable I introduced in
    Lars> August.

What do we want to do about the other patch that was intended for
emacs-27? We either leave it as is, which in my opinion is broken, or
apply it with 'do not merge to master', and see if your (unusual) use
case breaks.

Robert
-- 





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* bug#40118: 27.0.90; Signing emails with gpg
  2020-10-01 17:41                               ` Robert Pluim
@ 2020-10-01 17:43                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
  2020-10-02  8:49                                   ` Robert Pluim
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 24+ messages in thread
From: Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2020-10-01 17:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Robert Pluim; +Cc: stepnem, 40118

Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com> writes:

> What do we want to do about the other patch that was intended for
> emacs-27? We either leave it as is, which in my opinion is broken, or
> apply it with 'do not merge to master', and see if your (unusual) use
> case breaks.

Yup; go ahead and apply it to Emacs 27.

-- 
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* bug#40118: 27.0.90; Signing emails with gpg
  2020-10-01 17:43                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
@ 2020-10-02  8:49                                   ` Robert Pluim
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 24+ messages in thread
From: Robert Pluim @ 2020-10-02  8:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Lars Ingebrigtsen; +Cc: stepnem, 40118-done

>>>>> On Thu, 01 Oct 2020 19:43:36 +0200, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> said:

    Lars> Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com> writes:
    >> What do we want to do about the other patch that was intended for
    >> emacs-27? We either leave it as is, which in my opinion is broken, or
    >> apply it with 'do not merge to master', and see if your (unusual) use
    >> case breaks.

    Lars> Yup; go ahead and apply it to Emacs 27.

    Lars> -- 
    Lars> (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
    Lars>    bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no

Done as 9b47ae2304

Closing.

Robert
-- 





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2020-04-15 16:37   ` Robert Pluim
2020-04-15 16:45     ` Eli Zaretskii
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2020-04-16 10:38           ` Robert Pluim
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2020-04-20 10:52               ` Robert Pluim
2020-04-20 16:24                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-20 16:58                   ` Robert Pluim
2020-04-30  4:33             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
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2020-04-30 22:03                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-05-05 12:46                   ` Robert Pluim
2020-05-05 15:06                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-05 15:23                       ` Robert Pluim
2020-05-05 16:07                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-30 14:57                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-09-30 16:44                           ` Robert Pluim
2020-10-01  0:16                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-10-01 17:41                               ` Robert Pluim
2020-10-01 17:43                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
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