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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
Cc: "47150@debbugs.gnu.org" <47150@debbugs.gnu.org>,
	Sheng Yang <styang@fastmail.com>
Subject: bug#47150: [External] : bug#47150: 28.0.50; Incorrect major-mode in minibuffer
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2021 14:22:23 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvsg3mtadq.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YH2+Ngutv73f9q3Y@ACM> (Alan Mackenzie's message of "Mon, 19 Apr 2021 17:30:30 +0000")

> diff --git a/doc/emacs/mini.texi b/doc/emacs/mini.texi
> index 1eba7074f7..6f2935f1f6 100644
> --- a/doc/emacs/mini.texi
> +++ b/doc/emacs/mini.texi
> @@ -247,6 +247,9 @@ Minibuffer Edit
>  to show the current recursion depth in the minibuffer prompt
>  on recursive use of the minibuffer.
>  
> +  When active, the minibuffer is in @code{minibuffer-mode}.  This is
> +an internal Emacs mode without any features for the user.

I don't think we should be so definitive about it (I don't think we
should consider it a bug if some package decides to change the major
mode to something else from `minibuffer-setup-hook`, for instance).

So, I'd either not document it at all, or add something like "usually"
in there to tone things down.

> +@cindex active minibuffer
> +  An active minibuffer has major mode @code{minibuffer-mode}.  This is
> +an Emacs internal mode, and there is never any point in calling it or
> +otherwise trying to manipulate it.

I don't see the point in trying to discourage people from using it:
I don't see any reason to expect uses to be harmful, nor do I see any
sign that hordes are just waiting to jump on the opportunity to (ab)use
this mode in unexpected ways.

> Rather than using
> +@code{minibuffer-mode-hook}, you should use
> +@code{minibuffer-setup-hook} (@pxref{Minibuffer Misc}).

Sounds fine.  We may even motivate it by explaining that at the time
`minibuffer-mode-hook` is run the (mini)buffer is not yet fully prepared
(e.g. the keymap is not yet set).

> +(define-derived-mode minibuffer-mode nil "Minibuffer"
> +  "Major mode used only in active minibuffers.
> +This mode is used internally, and should not be set by user code
> +in any way, although it may be tested by such code.  Use
> +`minibuffer-setup-hook' and `minibuffer-exit-hook' rather than
> +the mode hook of this mode."

Same here, I don't see the need to waste time discouraging people to set
it themselves.

Other than those nitpicks: LGTM, thank you,


        Stefan






  reply	other threads:[~2021-04-19 18:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-03-15  0:57 bug#47150: 28.0.50; Incorrect major-mode in minibuffer styang
2021-03-15  1:02 ` bug#47150: Emacs bug#47150 " Sheng Yang
2021-03-15  7:59 ` bug#47150: " Alan Mackenzie
2021-03-15 18:15   ` Sheng Yang
2021-03-15 21:30     ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-03-15 21:58       ` Sheng Yang
2021-03-22 15:12         ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-03-22 15:52           ` bug#47150: [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-03-22 16:27             ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-03-22 17:09               ` Drew Adams
     [not found]                 ` <878s6ft5ze.fsf_-_@miha-pc>
2021-03-22 18:38                   ` bug#47150: [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-03-22 21:57                 ` bug#47150: [External] : " Alan Mackenzie
2021-03-22 23:06                   ` Drew Adams
2021-03-23 13:05                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-03-23 15:44                       ` Drew Adams
2021-03-22 18:12         ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-22 18:08       ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-22 18:40         ` bug#47150: [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-03-22 19:30           ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-22 19:42             ` Drew Adams
2021-03-22 20:11               ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-22 21:36                 ` Drew Adams
2021-04-09  8:57                   ` Sheng Yang
2021-04-12 10:18                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-04-12 12:02                       ` Sheng Yang
2021-04-12 14:01                         ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-12 16:15                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-04-12 17:10                             ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-12 18:34                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-04-12 20:46                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-18 11:14                                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-04-18 15:22                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-19  9:33                                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-04-19 17:30                                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-04-19 18:22                                           ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2021-04-19 19:18                                             ` Sheng Yang
2021-04-19 19:35                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-19 19:47                                                 ` Sheng Yang
2021-04-19 20:36                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-19 20:42                                                     ` Sheng Yang
2021-04-20 10:25                                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-03-22 19:42         ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-03-22 20:03           ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-22 18:24 ` bug#47150: [External] : " jakanakaevangeli
2021-03-23  7:18 ` bug#47150: [External] : " jakanakaevangeli

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