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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
Cc: 47150@debbugs.gnu.org, Sheng Yang <styang@fastmail.com>
Subject: bug#47150: 28.0.50; Incorrect major-mode in minibuffer
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2021 14:08:46 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvczvrrs66.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YE/SAcvWKTxdVZVb@ACM> (Alan Mackenzie's message of "Mon, 15 Mar 2021 21:30:41 +0000")

[ Hi, perpetrator of `minibuffer-inactive-mode` speaking.  ]

> minibuffer-inactive-mode: the critical thing here is "inactive", which
> means "doing nothing", or "not in use", or even "sleeping".  The
> opposite word is "active".  From its name, this major mode was never
> intended for use in active minibuffers,

That's right.

> but somehow nobody noticed that the buffer never got shifted out of
> minibuffer-inactive-mode when it came to be used again.

I did notice, but it didn't seem to cause any harm and I didn't want to
get into the discussion in which we are now, so I left things as
they stood.

> I've been fixing things in minibuf.c recently, and when I discovered
> this anomaly, I fixed it, so that an active minibuffer now runs in
> fundamental-mode, as originally intended.  I did wonder why there was no
> "minibuffer-mode".  But it was clear from the code that whoever wrote it
> intended minibuffers to use fundamental-mode whilst active.

I'm in favor of introducing a `minibuffer-mode`.

Part of the question is also when and how that mode is activated (since
activating such a mode has the effect of deleting the local variables).
I think we should call `minibuffer-mode` every time we (re)activate
a minibuffer.

>> For my case, I want automatic paren pairing and editing in
>> eval-expression.
> That does indeed suggest we really want a minibuffer-mode, rather than
> just fundamental-mode.  But surely, the parenthesis pairing will be
> dependant on the sort of text you're typing into the minibuffer, so it
> can't really be connected with, say, minibuffer-mode.

The way I see it, `eval-expression` would want to use a new major mode
that derives from `minibuffer-mode`.  And more generally
`read-from-minibuffer` should accept an argument that says which major
mode to use (I think it'd make sense to re-use the `keymap` argument
for that: if that argument is `functionp`, then treat it as a major
mode, if it's `keymapp` then use it as the keymap).
It would also provide a cleaner way to do what we currently do via the
`minibuffer-with-setup-hook` hack.

>> Plus we also need a keymap for it, which is
>> minibuffer-inactive-mode-map.
> No.  That keymap is very low functionality, and almost useless, as it's
> intended to be.

Indeed, the purpose of that keymap is that you can press `f` (for
example) into a minibuffer-only frame to open a file, but only when
there's no active minibuffer in that minibuffer-only frame.

>> It seems to me the minibuffer is always inactive? I tried M-x,
>> M-!, M-:, all reports minibuffer-inactive-mode in Emacs 27.1.  Is this
>> a mistake and the offending commit was trying to fix this
>> inconsistency?
> Very much so!

BTW: thank you for that.

> So, a quick summary: (i) the change in the minibuffer's major mode to
> fundamental-mode was intended; (ii) there may be some problems in some
> packages because of this;

The minibuffer used to be "always" in fundamental mode in Emacs<24
(since there was no `minibuffer-inactive-mode` back then), so I'm not
too worried.


        Stefan






  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-03-22 18:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-03-15  0:57 bug#47150: 28.0.50; Incorrect major-mode in minibuffer styang
2021-03-15  1:02 ` bug#47150: Emacs bug#47150 " Sheng Yang
2021-03-15  7:59 ` bug#47150: " Alan Mackenzie
2021-03-15 18:15   ` Sheng Yang
2021-03-15 21:30     ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-03-15 21:58       ` Sheng Yang
2021-03-22 15:12         ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-03-22 15:52           ` bug#47150: [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-03-22 16:27             ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-03-22 17:09               ` Drew Adams
     [not found]                 ` <878s6ft5ze.fsf_-_@miha-pc>
2021-03-22 18:38                   ` bug#47150: [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-03-22 21:57                 ` bug#47150: [External] : " Alan Mackenzie
2021-03-22 23:06                   ` Drew Adams
2021-03-23 13:05                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-03-23 15:44                       ` Drew Adams
2021-03-22 18:12         ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-22 18:08       ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2021-03-22 18:40         ` bug#47150: [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-03-22 19:30           ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-22 19:42             ` Drew Adams
2021-03-22 20:11               ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-22 21:36                 ` Drew Adams
2021-04-09  8:57                   ` Sheng Yang
2021-04-12 10:18                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-04-12 12:02                       ` Sheng Yang
2021-04-12 14:01                         ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-12 16:15                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-04-12 17:10                             ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-12 18:34                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-04-12 20:46                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-18 11:14                                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-04-18 15:22                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-19  9:33                                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-04-19 17:30                                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-04-19 18:22                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-19 19:18                                             ` Sheng Yang
2021-04-19 19:35                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-19 19:47                                                 ` Sheng Yang
2021-04-19 20:36                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-19 20:42                                                     ` Sheng Yang
2021-04-20 10:25                                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-03-22 19:42         ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-03-22 20:03           ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-22 18:24 ` bug#47150: [External] : " jakanakaevangeli
2021-03-23  7:18 ` bug#47150: [External] : " jakanakaevangeli

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