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* bug#52074: 29.0.50; Add key binding for find-library
@ 2021-11-24  6:54 Manuel Uberti via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
  2021-11-24  7:20 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
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  0 siblings, 4 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Manuel Uberti via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors @ 2021-11-24  6:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 52074

Hello everyone,

I was just wondering if to anyone other than me it would make sense to have a 
default key binding for find-library. This is something I use regularly to 
explore the source code of built-in features and external packages to understand 
more about them.

In my init.el, I have this setting:

(keymap-global-set "C-h C-l" #'find-library)

I picked this key binding for mnemonic reasons (h -> help, l -> library) and 
because 'C-h C-l' seems to be unbound in emacs -Q.

What do you think?

-- 
Manuel Uberti
www.manueluberti.eu



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Manuel Uberti
www.manueluberti.eu





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* bug#52074: 29.0.50; Add key binding for find-library
  2021-11-24  6:54 bug#52074: 29.0.50; Add key binding for find-library Manuel Uberti via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
@ 2021-11-24  7:20 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
  2021-11-24  7:26   ` Manuel Uberti via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
  2021-11-24 12:00   ` Phil Sainty
  2021-11-24 18:21 ` bug#52074: [External] : " Drew Adams
                   ` (2 subsequent siblings)
  3 siblings, 2 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2021-11-24  7:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Manuel Uberti; +Cc: 52074

Manuel Uberti <manuel.uberti@inventati.org> writes:

> I was just wondering if to anyone other than me it would make sense to
> have a default key binding for find-library. This is something I use
> regularly to explore the source code of built-in features and external
> packages to understand more about them.

Yes, it's a useful command, so perhaps we should have a default binding
for it.

> In my init.el, I have this setting:
>
> (keymap-global-set "C-h C-l" #'find-library)
>
> I picked this key binding for mnemonic reasons (h -> help, l ->
> library) and because 'C-h C-l' seems to be unbound in emacs -Q.

Hm...  Finding a library isn't exactly a help command, so I think it
would be somewhat confusing to put it there.  But I don't have a good
suggestion for where to put otherwise.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no





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* bug#52074: 29.0.50; Add key binding for find-library
  2021-11-24  7:20 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
@ 2021-11-24  7:26   ` Manuel Uberti via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
  2021-11-24 17:16     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
  2021-11-24 12:00   ` Phil Sainty
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Manuel Uberti via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors @ 2021-11-24  7:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Lars Ingebrigtsen; +Cc: 52074

On 24/11/21 08:20, Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote:
> Hm...  Finding a library isn't exactly a help command, so I think it
> would be somewhat confusing to put it there.  But I don't have a good
> suggestion for where to put otherwise.

You're right. What about using a prefix like C-x 7 and add something like:

- C-x 7 l for find-library

Then these can be considered as well:

- C-x 7 f for find-function
- C-x 7 v for find-variable

-- 
Manuel Uberti
www.manueluberti.eu





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* bug#52074: 29.0.50; Add key binding for find-library
  2021-11-24  7:20 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
  2021-11-24  7:26   ` Manuel Uberti via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
@ 2021-11-24 12:00   ` Phil Sainty
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Phil Sainty @ 2021-11-24 12:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Lars Ingebrigtsen; +Cc: Manuel Uberti, 52074

On 2021-11-24 20:20, Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote:
> Manuel Uberti <manuel.uberti@inventati.org> writes:
>> I picked this key binding for mnemonic reasons (h -> help, l ->
>> library) and because 'C-h C-l' seems to be unbound in emacs -Q.
> 
> Hm...  Finding a library isn't exactly a help command, so I think it
> would be somewhat confusing to put it there.  But I don't have a good
> suggestion for where to put otherwise.

Library commentaries are one of the primary sources of documentation
in Emacs, so I think it's pretty help-related.

FWIW I use this same binding, and in my mind it makes excellent sense
to use C-h C-l for `find-library' if you also have:

C-h C-v for `find-variable'
C-h C-f for `find-function'
C-h C-k for `find-function-on-key'

All of which feel (to me) analogous to C-h v, C-h f, and C-h k: Without
the Ctrl modifier you view the docstrings; with it you view the code.

(Admittedly C-h l is unconnected, but that hasn't bothered me.  
Following
my pattern that would probably be bound to `finder-commentary', but I'm
not suggesting we move `view-lossage' elsewhere.)

I guess my main point is that I do think of *all* of these things as
help-related, as I consider reading the code as just the next step up
from reading the docstrings.


-Phil






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* bug#52074: 29.0.50; Add key binding for find-library
  2021-11-24  7:26   ` Manuel Uberti via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
@ 2021-11-24 17:16     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
  2021-11-24 18:29       ` Juri Linkov
  2021-11-24 18:55       ` bug#52074: [External] : " Drew Adams
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Lars Ingebrigtsen @ 2021-11-24 17:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Manuel Uberti; +Cc: 52074

Manuel Uberti <manuel.uberti@inventati.org> writes:

> You're right. What about using a prefix like C-x 7 and add something like:
>
> - C-x 7 l for find-library
>
> Then these can be considered as well:
>
> - C-x 7 f for find-function
> - C-x 7 v for find-variable

Hm...  We've got a variety of stuff on `C-x <num>', but mostly things
that deal with windows/tabs/frames.  But perhaps it might make sense to
put a `find-*' keymap there.

Phil Sainty <psainty@orcon.net.nz> writes:

> FWIW I use this same binding, and in my mind it makes excellent sense
> to use C-h C-l for `find-library' if you also have:
>
> C-h C-v for `find-variable'
> C-h C-f for `find-function'
> C-h C-k for `find-function-on-key'
>
> All of which feel (to me) analogous to C-h v, C-h f, and C-h k: Without
> the Ctrl modifier you view the docstrings; with it you view the code.

Unfortunately `C-h C-f' is taken, but this makes sense.

> (Admittedly C-h l is unconnected, but that hasn't bothered me.
> Following
> my pattern that would probably be bound to `finder-commentary', but I'm
> not suggesting we move `view-lossage' elsewhere.)
>
> I guess my main point is that I do think of *all* of these things as
> help-related, as I consider reading the code as just the next step up
> from reading the docstrings.

That's a good point.

I doubt `C-h C-f' is used that often, so perhaps we could consider
moving it and binding these four find-* commands to the `C-h' map.

Anybody else with opinions or ideas here?

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no





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* bug#52074: [External] : bug#52074: 29.0.50; Add key binding for find-library
  2021-11-24  6:54 bug#52074: 29.0.50; Add key binding for find-library Manuel Uberti via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
  2021-11-24  7:20 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
@ 2021-11-24 18:21 ` Drew Adams
  2021-11-24 18:32 ` Drew Adams
  2021-11-24 21:06 ` Drew Adams
  3 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Drew Adams @ 2021-11-24 18:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Manuel Uberti, 52074

> I was just wondering if to anyone other than me it would make sense to have
> a default key binding for find-library. This is something I use regularly to
> explore the source code of built-in features and external packages to
> understand more about them.
> 
> In my init.el, I have this setting:
> (keymap-global-set "C-h C-l" #'find-library)
> 
> I picked this key binding for mnemonic reasons (h -> help, l -> library) and
> because 'C-h C-l' seems to be unbound in emacs -Q.
> 
> What do you think?

Yes. See bug #51240. I use `C-x 4 l' for my
`find-library-other-window'.  (I almost never
want to switch to the library in the same window.)

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* bug#52074: 29.0.50; Add key binding for find-library
  2021-11-24 17:16     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
@ 2021-11-24 18:29       ` Juri Linkov
  2021-11-24 18:55       ` bug#52074: [External] : " Drew Adams
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Juri Linkov @ 2021-11-24 18:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Lars Ingebrigtsen; +Cc: Manuel Uberti, 52074

forcemerge 51240 52074
quit

> Anybody else with opinions or ideas here?

This is duplicate of https://debbugs.gnu.org/51240
where both using the C-h keymap or C-x L/C-x 4 L/C-x 5 L
were proposed without a conclusive decision which one to prefer.





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* bug#52074: [External] : bug#52074: 29.0.50; Add key binding for find-library
  2021-11-24  6:54 bug#52074: 29.0.50; Add key binding for find-library Manuel Uberti via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
  2021-11-24  7:20 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
  2021-11-24 18:21 ` bug#52074: [External] : " Drew Adams
@ 2021-11-24 18:32 ` Drew Adams
  2021-11-24 21:06 ` Drew Adams
  3 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Drew Adams @ 2021-11-24 18:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Manuel Uberti, 52074

> Yes. See bug #51240.

Even that one was a duplicate of #26712? and #2270.
Those haven't gotten anywhere.  But maybe you'll have 
better luck...  This goes back at least 14 years.

See, for example: 

https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=26712#8


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* bug#52074: [External] : bug#52074: 29.0.50; Add key binding for find-library
  2021-11-24 17:16     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
  2021-11-24 18:29       ` Juri Linkov
@ 2021-11-24 18:55       ` Drew Adams
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Drew Adams @ 2021-11-24 18:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Lars Ingebrigtsen, Manuel Uberti; +Cc: 52074

> Anybody else with opinions or ideas here?

Yes, and they've been expressed many times, in
the multiple emacs-devel and duplicate bug threads
about this.





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* bug#52074: [External] : bug#52074: 29.0.50; Add key binding for find-library
  2021-11-24  6:54 bug#52074: 29.0.50; Add key binding for find-library Manuel Uberti via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
                   ` (2 preceding siblings ...)
  2021-11-24 18:32 ` Drew Adams
@ 2021-11-24 21:06 ` Drew Adams
  3 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Drew Adams @ 2021-11-24 21:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Phil Sainty, Lars Ingebrigtsen; +Cc: Manuel Uberti, 52074

[Sending again.  Didn't show up in the bug list for some reason.] 

> Library commentaries are one of the primary sources of documentation
> in Emacs, so I think it's pretty help-related.

True.  But we also have `finder-commentary' for that aspect.

> FWIW I use this same binding, and in my mind it makes excellent sense
> to use C-h C-l for `find-library' if you also have:
> 
> C-h C-v for `find-variable'
> C-h C-f for `find-function'
> C-h C-k for `find-function-on-key'
> 
> All of which feel (to me) analogous to C-h v, C-h f, and C-h k: Without
> the Ctrl modifier you view the docstrings; with it you view the code.
> 
> (Admittedly C-h l is unconnected, but that hasn't bothered me.
> Following
> my pattern that would probably be bound to `finder-commentary', but I'm
> not suggesting we move `view-lossage' elsewhere.)
> 
> I guess my main point is that I do think of *all* of these things as
> help-related, as I consider reading the code as just the next step up
> from reading the docstrings.

It's good to discuss this, and I'm glad to see
people giving _reasons_ for proposals/opinions.
I wish that were more often the case.

To my mind `find-library' fits most closely with
`find-file'.  I put my `other-window' version on
`C-x 4 l' as analogy to `C-x 4 f'.





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