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Didn't show up in the bug list for some reason.]=20 > Library commentaries are one of the primary sources of documentation > in Emacs, so I think it's pretty help-related. True. But we also have `finder-commentary' for that aspect. > FWIW I use this same binding, and in my mind it makes excellent sense > to use C-h C-l for `find-library' if you also have: >=20 > C-h C-v for `find-variable' > C-h C-f for `find-function' > C-h C-k for `find-function-on-key' >=20 > All of which feel (to me) analogous to C-h v, C-h f, and C-h k: Without > the Ctrl modifier you view the docstrings; with it you view the code. >=20 > (Admittedly C-h l is unconnected, but that hasn't bothered me. > Following > my pattern that would probably be bound to `finder-commentary', but I'm > not suggesting we move `view-lossage' elsewhere.) >=20 > I guess my main point is that I do think of *all* of these things as > help-related, as I consider reading the code as just the next step up > from reading the docstrings. It's good to discuss this, and I'm glad to see people giving _reasons_ for proposals/opinions. I wish that were more often the case. To my mind `find-library' fits most closely with `find-file'. I put my `other-window' version on `C-x 4 l' as analogy to `C-x 4 f'.