From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Phil Sainty Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#52074: 29.0.50; Add key binding for find-library Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2021 01:00:54 +1300 Message-ID: References: <8cbad051-6fa0-958a-d2a6-4ba1ab1b7361@inventati.org> <87h7c2vx2p.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="26198"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Orcon Webmail Cc: Manuel Uberti , 52074@debbugs.gnu.org To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Nov 24 13:04:11 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mpr0V-0006YD-Fr for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 24 Nov 2021 13:04:11 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45202 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mpr0U-0002XX-7L for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 24 Nov 2021 07:04:10 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:50242) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mpqyQ-0001c8-NW for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Nov 2021 07:02:02 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:41832) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mpqyQ-0001FZ-DU for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Nov 2021 07:02:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mpqyQ-0003UJ-B6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Nov 2021 07:02:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Phil Sainty Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2021 12:02:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 52074 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 52074-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B52074.163775527213348 (code B ref 52074); Wed, 24 Nov 2021 12:02:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 52074) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Nov 2021 12:01:12 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53377 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mpqxc-0003TE-BQ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Nov 2021 07:01:12 -0500 Original-Received: from smtp-1.orcon.net.nz ([60.234.4.34]:55453) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mpqxX-0003T3-Is for 52074@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Nov 2021 07:01:11 -0500 Original-Received: from [10.253.37.70] (port=35522 helo=webmail.orcon.net.nz) by smtp-1.orcon.net.nz with esmtpa (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mpqxK-0001ee-Qs; Thu, 25 Nov 2021 01:00:55 +1300 Original-Received: from ip-115-69-175-77.kinect.net.nz ([115.69.175.77]) via [10.253.37.253] by webmail.orcon.net.nz with HTTP (HTTP/1.1 POST); Thu, 25 Nov 2021 01:00:54 +1300 In-Reply-To: <87h7c2vx2p.fsf@gnus.org> X-Sender: psainty@orcon.net.nz X-GeoIP: -- X-Spam_score: -2.9 X-Spam_score_int: -28 X-Spam_bar: -- X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:220726 Archived-At: On 2021-11-24 20:20, Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: > Manuel Uberti writes: >> I picked this key binding for mnemonic reasons (h -> help, l -> >> library) and because 'C-h C-l' seems to be unbound in emacs -Q. > > Hm... Finding a library isn't exactly a help command, so I think it > would be somewhat confusing to put it there. But I don't have a good > suggestion for where to put otherwise. Library commentaries are one of the primary sources of documentation in Emacs, so I think it's pretty help-related. FWIW I use this same binding, and in my mind it makes excellent sense to use C-h C-l for `find-library' if you also have: C-h C-v for `find-variable' C-h C-f for `find-function' C-h C-k for `find-function-on-key' All of which feel (to me) analogous to C-h v, C-h f, and C-h k: Without the Ctrl modifier you view the docstrings; with it you view the code. (Admittedly C-h l is unconnected, but that hasn't bothered me. Following my pattern that would probably be bound to `finder-commentary', but I'm not suggesting we move `view-lossage' elsewhere.) I guess my main point is that I do think of *all* of these things as help-related, as I consider reading the code as just the next step up from reading the docstrings. -Phil