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From: Sebastian Wiesner <lunaryorn@gmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: lekktu@gmail.com, 14704@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#14704: 24.3.50; cl-lib breaks built-in Emacs version
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 20:57:04 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALf2awRtJxtzzR8d1GGm3NwDgFVaehP8pQp+bC=iasGh2gfM+Q@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <837ghjjqvj.fsf@gnu.org>

2013/6/24 Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>:
>> Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 20:26:27 +0200
>> From: Sebastian Wiesner <lunaryorn@gmail.com>
>> Cc: 14704@debbugs.gnu.org
>>
>> I did neither scream nor demand, but I actually expected you to apply
>> care and attention to your work.  I write tests for my own code, and I
>> run them, and I expected you to do so as well.  I see now, that you do
>> not, which is embarrassing to you and very ignorant towards your
>> users.
>
> Out of fairness, you found 3 bugs in a single 1700-line package, and
> made very far-fetching conclusions ("Don't you test your code?!") out
> of that.

These three bugs weren't just stupid forgotten corner cases in some
remote and obscure feature that none uses.  They broke an essential
command—which worked well before—in a very obvious and very bad way.

These bugs should have been caught by testing before making a commit.
But they weren't, so in this specific case, I think I can quite
legitimately conclude that these specific changes were not tested at
all, or only very carelessly.

I understand that package.el is being refactored currently, but that
isn't an excuse imho.  On the contrary, every software development
course teaches about making refactorings in a separate branch and
never without unit tests.

But I admit that I should not have generalized this statement, and I
apologize to you and to everyone else whom I offended.

> If all that code were not tested at all, it would never have worked at all.

It is tested, for sure, but probably less by you, and more by your users.





  reply	other threads:[~2013-06-24 18:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-06-24 15:30 bug#14704: 24.3.50; cl-lib breaks built-in Emacs version Sebastian Wiesner
2013-06-24 15:48 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-06-24 17:51   ` Sebastian Wiesner
2013-06-24 17:56     ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-06-24 18:26       ` Sebastian Wiesner
2013-06-24 18:38         ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-06-24 18:57           ` Sebastian Wiesner [this message]
2013-06-24 19:20             ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-06-24 20:02               ` Glenn Morris
2013-06-24 20:08                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-06-24 20:21                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-06-24 20:25                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-06-24 20:30                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-06-25 14:43                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-06-24 21:19                       ` Jambunathan K
2013-06-25  2:43                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-06-25  2:35                       ` Stefan Monnier
2013-06-25 14:39                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-06-25 15:50                           ` Stefan Monnier
2013-06-25  6:17                   ` Michael Albinus
2013-06-25 15:00                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-06-25 15:24                       ` Michael Albinus
2013-06-25 16:03                         ` bug#10304: " Eli Zaretskii
2013-06-25 18:27                           ` bug#10304: display bug (was: bug#14704: 24.3.50; cl-lib breaks built-in Emacs version) Michael Albinus
2013-06-25 18:58                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-06-25 19:13                               ` bug#10304: display bug Michael Albinus
2011-12-15 13:51                                 ` bug#10304: 24.0.92: display but Yagnesh Raghava Yakkala
2011-12-15 13:58                                   ` Yagnesh Raghava Yakkala
2012-01-07  1:20                                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-01-07  8:48                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-26  0:09                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2013-01-02  2:36                                       ` bug#10304: 24.0.92: display bug Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2013-01-02 18:23                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-01-02 18:42                                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2013-01-02 21:42                                             ` Andreas Schwab
2013-01-05  8:38                                         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2013-01-05  8:51                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-01-05  9:16                                             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2013-01-05  9:17                                             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2013-01-05  9:49                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-01-05 10:11                                                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2013-01-05 11:29                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-01-05 11:38                                             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2013-01-05 13:43                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-01-05 17:36                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-01-08  5:11                                                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2013-01-08  5:43                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-01-08 11:19                                                     ` Michael Albinus
2013-01-08 21:21                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-01-08 21:29                                                         ` Michael Albinus
2013-01-08 21:39                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-01-13 18:08                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-01-16 15:06                                                       ` Michael Albinus
2014-11-14 15:45                                                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-14 15:56                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-14 15:57                                                         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-15 15:35                                                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-15 15:41                                                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-29 15:42                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                                                               ` <m3oarmyoiz.fsf@stories.gnus.org>
2014-12-27 14:20                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-01-15 23:50                                                                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2015-01-17 11:34                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-07  4:31                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-11 13:06                                                                         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2015-05-11 15:18                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-06-27 13:20                                   ` bug#10304: " Michael Albinus
2013-06-27 17:11                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-06-27 18:25                                       ` Michael Albinus
2013-07-09 10:39                                       ` Michael Albinus
2013-07-09 17:16                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-07-10 17:04                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-07-10 18:03                                           ` Michael Albinus
2013-06-24 20:18         ` bug#14704: 24.3.50; cl-lib breaks built-in Emacs version Juanma Barranquero
2013-06-25  2:11         ` Stefan Monnier
2013-06-24 18:16     ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-06-24 18:40       ` Sebastian Wiesner
2013-06-24 17:39 ` Glenn Morris
2013-06-24 17:52   ` Sebastian Wiesner
2013-06-25 16:27 ` Stefan Monnier

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