From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Sebastian Wiesner <lunaryorn@gmail.com>
Cc: lekktu@gmail.com, 14704@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#14704: 24.3.50; cl-lib breaks built-in Emacs version
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 21:16:10 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <83bo6vjrx1.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALf2awTR=Vxg9uk65p1AyduGszyo_Y3rJojt8zLcqYwKDFZZgA@mail.gmail.com>
> Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 19:51:20 +0200
> From: Sebastian Wiesner <lunaryorn@gmail.com>
> Cc: 14704@debbugs.gnu.org
>
> 2013/6/24 Juanma Barranquero <lekktu@gmail.com>:
> > On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 5:30 PM, Sebastian Wiesner <lunaryorn@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> This is the 3rd critical package.el bug I discovered within just a week
> >> or so. Don't you test your code?!
> >
> > If you want well-tested code, stay with Emacs official releases. If
> > you compile from trunk, expect breakages, untested code and potential
> > data loss. Caveat user.
>
> Who would test your code then before releases if not those who compile
> from trunk?
Each release is preceded by a long pretest period, when we are trying
to collect usage experiences from as many different platforms and
users as possible.
> You developers obviously don't… and what is worse, you apparently do
> even *care*.
I don't think this is a fair comment. A released version is more
stable than a development snapshot, that's a fact. It has nothing to
do with caring or not. It also doesn't only happen due to more
testing: during a pretest, only bugfixes are allowed into the code
base, so potentially destabilizing changes are avoided.
> I am sorry that you do not know about CI, unit testing and software
> quality, but I do, and thus I am horrified by the neglect and
> ignorance you demonstrate in developing one of the most important
> tools of my daily work.
While more testing is always a good thing, some areas in Emacs are
hard to test. Please consider coming on board and moving Emacs closer
to the CI ideals and testability. TIA.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-06-24 18:16 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-06-24 15:30 bug#14704: 24.3.50; cl-lib breaks built-in Emacs version Sebastian Wiesner
2013-06-24 15:48 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-06-24 17:51 ` Sebastian Wiesner
2013-06-24 17:56 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-06-24 18:26 ` Sebastian Wiesner
2013-06-24 18:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-06-24 18:57 ` Sebastian Wiesner
2013-06-24 19:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-06-24 20:02 ` Glenn Morris
2013-06-24 20:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-06-24 20:21 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-06-24 20:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-06-24 20:30 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-06-25 14:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-06-24 21:19 ` Jambunathan K
2013-06-25 2:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-06-25 2:35 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-06-25 14:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-06-25 15:50 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-06-25 6:17 ` Michael Albinus
2013-06-25 15:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-06-25 15:24 ` Michael Albinus
2013-06-25 16:03 ` bug#10304: " Eli Zaretskii
2013-06-25 18:27 ` bug#10304: display bug (was: bug#14704: 24.3.50; cl-lib breaks built-in Emacs version) Michael Albinus
2013-06-25 18:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-06-25 19:13 ` bug#10304: display bug Michael Albinus
2011-12-15 13:51 ` bug#10304: 24.0.92: display but Yagnesh Raghava Yakkala
2011-12-15 13:58 ` Yagnesh Raghava Yakkala
2012-01-07 1:20 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-01-07 8:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-26 0:09 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2013-01-02 2:36 ` bug#10304: 24.0.92: display bug Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2013-01-02 18:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-01-02 18:42 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2013-01-02 21:42 ` Andreas Schwab
2013-01-05 8:38 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2013-01-05 8:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-01-05 9:16 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2013-01-05 9:17 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2013-01-05 9:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-01-05 10:11 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2013-01-05 11:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-01-05 11:38 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2013-01-05 13:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-01-05 17:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-01-08 5:11 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2013-01-08 5:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-01-08 11:19 ` Michael Albinus
2013-01-08 21:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-01-08 21:29 ` Michael Albinus
2013-01-08 21:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-01-13 18:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-01-16 15:06 ` Michael Albinus
2014-11-14 15:45 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-14 15:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-14 15:57 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-15 15:35 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-15 15:41 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-29 15:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
[not found] ` <m3oarmyoiz.fsf@stories.gnus.org>
2014-12-27 14:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-01-15 23:50 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2015-01-17 11:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-07 4:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-11 13:06 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2015-05-11 15:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-06-27 13:20 ` bug#10304: " Michael Albinus
2013-06-27 17:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-06-27 18:25 ` Michael Albinus
2013-07-09 10:39 ` Michael Albinus
2013-07-09 17:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-07-10 17:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-07-10 18:03 ` Michael Albinus
2013-06-24 20:18 ` bug#14704: 24.3.50; cl-lib breaks built-in Emacs version Juanma Barranquero
2013-06-25 2:11 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-06-24 18:16 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2013-06-24 18:40 ` Sebastian Wiesner
2013-06-24 17:39 ` Glenn Morris
2013-06-24 17:52 ` Sebastian Wiesner
2013-06-25 16:27 ` Stefan Monnier
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