bug#9350: 23.3; [usability] File menu should contain "split window horizontally C-x 3"

bug#9350: 23.3; [usability] File menu should contain "split window horizontally C-x 3"

[Arne Babenhauserheide]

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Dear Emacs Hackers, 

Splitting windows horizontally becomes more and more important as the screen sizes rise - and it is prevalent in todays programming environments. 

So I think that it would be important to add that entry to the menu - also because a new user just asked me that, so this is no theoretical construct, but an observation. 

This would clear up which kind of splitting is meant by the simple “split window”. 

Concisely: Wish: Menu: 

	   …
	   Split Window		C-x 2
	   Split Horizontally	C-x 3


Best wishes, 
Arne


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please include the output from the following gdb commands:
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For information about debugging Emacs, please read the file
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In GNU Emacs 23.3.1 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.24.5)
 of 2011-08-14 on fluss
Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.11002000
configured using `configure  '--prefix=/usr' '--build=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu' '--host=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu' '--mandir=/usr/share/man' '--infodir=/usr/share/info' '--datadir=/usr/share' '--sysconfdir=/etc' '--localstatedir=/var/lib' '--libdir=/usr/lib64' '--program-suffix=-emacs-23' '--infodir=/usr/share/info/emacs-23' '--with-crt-dir=/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.4.5/../../../../lib64' '--with-gameuser=games' '--without-hesiod' '--without-kerberos' '--without-kerberos5' '--with-gpm' '--with-dbus' '--with-sound' '--with-x' '--without-ns' '--without-gconf' '--with-toolkit-scroll-bars' '--with-gif' '--with-jpeg' '--with-png' '--with-rsvg' '--with-tiff' '--with-xpm' '--with-xft' '--with-libotf' '--with-m17n-flt' '--with-x-toolkit=gtk' 'build_alias=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu' 'host_alias=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu' 'CFLAGS=-march=amdfam10 -O2 -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing' 'LDFLAGS=-Wl,-O1 -Wl,--as-needed' 'CPPFLAGS=''

Important settings:
  value of $LC_ALL: nil
  value of $LC_COLLATE: C
  value of $LC_CTYPE: nil
  value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil
  value of $LC_MONETARY: nil
  value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil
  value of $LC_TIME: nil
  value of $LANG: de_DE.UTF-8
  value of $XMODIFIERS: nil
  locale-coding-system: utf-8
  default enable-multibyte-characters: t

Major mode: Custom

Minor modes in effect:
  erc-track-mode: t
  erc-track-minor-mode: t
  erc-services-mode: t
  erc-ring-mode: t
  erc-notify-mode: t
  erc-networks-mode: t
  erc-netsplit-mode: t
  erc-menu-mode: t
  erc-match-mode: t
  erc-list-mode: t
  erc-dcc-mode: t
  erc-pcomplete-mode: t
  erc-button-mode: t
  erc-fill-mode: t
  erc-stamp-mode: t
  erc-autojoin-mode: t
  erc-autoaway-mode: t
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  erc-keep-place-mode: t
  erc-move-to-prompt-mode: t
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  global-ethan-wspace-mode: t
  real-global-auto-complete-mode: t
  global-auto-complete-mode: t
  auto-complete-mode: t
  global-rudel-minor-mode: t
  savehist-mode: t
  shell-dirtrack-mode: t
  tooltip-mode: t
  mouse-wheel-mode: t
  menu-bar-mode: t
  file-name-shadow-mode: t
  global-font-lock-mode: t
  font-lock-mode: t
  auto-encryption-mode: t
  auto-compression-mode: t
  line-number-mode: t
  global-visual-line-mode: t
  visual-line-mode: t
  transient-mark-mode: t

Recent input:
O B ESC O B ESC O B ESC O B ESC O B ESC O B ESC O B 
ESC O B ESC O B ESC O B ESC O B ESC O B ESC O B ESC 
O B ESC O A ESC O B ESC O B ESC O B ESC O B ESC O B 
ESC O B ESC O B ESC O B ESC O B ESC O B ESC O B ESC 
O A ESC O A ESC O A ESC O A ESC O A ESC O A ESC O A 
ESC O A ESC O A ESC O A ESC O A ESC O A ESC O B ESC 
O A ESC O F ESC O D ESC O D ESC O D ESC O D ESC O D 
ESC O D ESC O D ESC O D ESC O D ESC O D ESC O D ESC 
O D ESC O D ESC O D ESC O B ESC O B ESC O F ESC O D 
RET RET ESC O B ESC O B ESC O B ESC O B ESC O D RET 
RET ESC O B ESC O B ESC O B ESC O B ESC O B ESC O B 
ESC O B ESC O B ESC O B ESC O B ESC O B ESC O B ESC 
O B ESC O B ESC O B ESC O B ESC O B ESC O B ESC O B 
ESC O B ESC O B ESC O B ESC O B ESC O B ESC O B ESC 
O B RET ESC O A ESC O A ESC x r e z DEL y o TAB DEL 
DEL w DEL p TAB o TAB r TAB RET

Recent messages:
Creating group...
Creating group members... 93%
Creating group magic...
Creating group state...
Creating group... done
Creating customization items ...done
Resetting customization items...done
Creating customization setup...done
Custom-newline: You can't edit this part of the Custom buffer
Making completion list... [2 times]

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bug#9350: 23.3; [usability] File menu should contain "split window horizontally C-x 3"

[Eli Zaretskii]

> Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 15:54:59 +0200
> From: Arne Babenhauserheide <arne_bab@web.de>
> 
> Splitting windows horizontally becomes more and more important as the screen sizes rise - and it is prevalent in todays programming environments. 
> 
> So I think that it would be important to add that entry to the menu - also because a new user just asked me that, so this is no theoretical construct, but an observation. 

Any reasons not to show that user how to create a new frame, instead
of dividing the existing frame in two?

bug#9350: 23.3; [usability] File menu should contain "split window horizontally C-x 3"

[Juri Linkov]

> Splitting windows horizontally becomes more and more important as the
> screen sizes rise - and it is prevalent in todays programming environments.
>
> So I think that it would be important to add that entry to the menu -
> also because a new user just asked me that, so this is no theoretical
> construct, but an observation.
>
> This would clear up which kind of splitting is meant by the simple
> “split window”.

Maybe "Split Window" should be bound to the command that uses
`split-window-sensibly' to determine whether vertical or horizontal
splitting is preferable?

bug#9350: 23.3; File menu should contain "split window horizontally C-x 3"

[martin rudalics]

 > Splitting windows horizontally becomes more and more important as the
 > screen sizes rise - and it is prevalent in todays programming
 > environments.
 >
 > So I think that it would be important to add that entry to the menu -
 > also because a new user just asked me that, so this is no theoretical
 > construct, but an observation.
 >
 > This would clear up which kind of splitting is meant by the simple
 > "split window".

I added an entry for C-x 3.  Please have a look.

martin

Note: Adding an entry for `split-window-sensibly' doesn't strike me as a
good idea since that function is part of the buffer display routines and
constrained by `split-height-threshold' and `split-width-threshold'.

bug#9350: 23.3; File menu should contain "split window horizontally C-x 3"

[Stefan Monnier]

> I added an entry for C-x 3.  Please have a look.

I like the new wording and the new function, thanks.

> Note: Adding an entry for `split-window-sensibly' doesn't strike me as a
> good idea since that function is part of the buffer display routines and
> constrained by `split-height-threshold' and `split-width-threshold'.

Agreed.  If the user can choose "New window sensibly" he may as well
choose "new window below" or "new window on the right" depending on his
current preference.


        Stefan

bug#9350: 23.3; File menu should contain "split window horizontally C-x 3"

[martin rudalics]

I'd eventually want to rename `split-window' to `new-window' or
`make-new-window' and give it a fourth argument - the buffer to show in
the new window.  Presumably, more than 90% of all calls of
`split-window' are made to display another buffer in the new window, so
doing a `set-window-buffer' with the old window's buffer doesn't strike
me as very reasonable.

Alternatively, we could try to show the current buffer in the new window
as `make-frame' does but I'm not very fond of such a solution and it
certainly would break things in a number of cases.

martin

bug#9350: 23.3; File menu should contain "split window horizontally C-x 3"

[Stefan Monnier]

> I'd eventually want to rename `split-window' to `new-window' or
> `make-new-window' and give it a fourth argument - the buffer to show in
> the new window.

But then the name doesn't make it clear that you're splitting an
existing window.  I.e. it's moving towards display-buffer.

> Presumably, more than 90% of all calls of `split-window' are made to
> display another buffer in the new window, so doing
> a `set-window-buffer' with the old window's buffer doesn't strike me
> as very reasonable.

Agreed.  Adding a fourth argument to split-window doesn't sound like
a bad solution.


        Stefan


PS: One thing that annoys me in the current working of split-window: it
doesn't let you say which window (the top or the bottom) is the new one.
This was fine back when windows had very little state of their own, but
now it is important when it matters because of window-parameters,
window-dedicated-p, ...
So if we want to improve split-window, I think we should consider this
issue as well.

bug#9350: 23.3; File menu should contain "split window horizontally C-x 3"

[martin rudalics]

 >> I'd eventually want to rename `split-window' to `new-window' or
 >> `make-new-window' and give it a fourth argument - the buffer to show in
 >> the new window.
 >
 > But then the name doesn't make it clear that you're splitting an
 > existing window.  I.e. it's moving towards display-buffer.

It would become more like `make-frame'.  But I'm not sure whether we
want or need that "splitting" connotation at all.  Most callers care
about one thing only: Get a new window to peruse.

 > PS: One thing that annoys me in the current working of split-window: it
 > doesn't let you say which window (the top or the bottom) is the new one.

The new one is that returned by `split-window', as before.

 > This was fine back when windows had very little state of their own, but
 > now it is important when it matters because of window-parameters,
 > window-dedicated-p, ...
 > So if we want to improve split-window, I think we should consider this
 > issue as well.

Do you mean you need the identity of the new window when `split-window'
is called indirectly by another function?  Maybe you could provide a use
case?

martin

bug#9350: 23.3; File menu should contain "split window horizontally C-x 3"

[Stefan Monnier]

>> PS: One thing that annoys me in the current working of split-window: it
>> doesn't let you say which window (the top or the bottom) is the new one.
> The new one is that returned by `split-window', as before.

No, that's not the issue.  It's not about "which window (the
selected-window or the returned window) is the new one" it's "which
window (the top one or the bottom one)".

And the issue is not "tell me which it is" but "I want to control which
one it should be".

>> This was fine back when windows had very little state of their own, but
>> now it is important when it matters because of window-parameters,
>> window-dedicated-p, ...
>> So if we want to improve split-window, I think we should consider this
>> issue as well.
> Do you mean you need the identity of the new window when `split-window'
> is called indirectly by another function?  Maybe you could provide a use
> case?

No, here's the scenario: you have a dedicated window, and you want to
create a new window above that one: split-window won't work because it
will always create the new window below.


        Stefan

bug#9350: 23.3; File menu should contain "split window horizontally C-x 3"

[martin rudalics]

 >>> PS: One thing that annoys me in the current working of split-window: it
 >>> doesn't let you say which window (the top or the bottom) is the new one.
 >> The new one is that returned by `split-window', as before.
 >
 > No, that's not the issue.  It's not about "which window (the
 > selected-window or the returned window) is the new one" it's "which
 > window (the top one or the bottom one)".
 >
 > And the issue is not "tell me which it is" but "I want to control which
 > one it should be".

Sorry.  I'm missing you here.

 > No, here's the scenario: you have a dedicated window, and you want to
 > create a new window above that one: split-window won't work because it
 > will always create the new window below.

Do you mean that

(let (new)
   (set-window-dedicated-p (selected-window) t)
   (setq new (split-window nil nil 'above))
   (set-window-buffer new "*Messages*"))

doesn't do that?

martin

bug#9350: 23.3; File menu should contain "split window horizontally C-x 3"

[Stefan Monnier]

>   (setq new (split-window nil nil 'above))

Ah, I see you fixed the problem in your new code by extending the
meaning of the third argument.  Great, thanks,


        Stefan

bug#9350: 23.3; File menu should contain "split window horizontally C-x 3"

[Juri Linkov]

> I'd eventually want to rename `split-window' to `new-window' or
> `make-new-window' and give it a fourth argument - the buffer to show in
> the new window.

Isn't this semantically equivalent to `switch-to-buffer-other-window'?

And since this bug report is about menu items, another question:
after shifting the emphasis from windows/frames to just places where
to display buffers, wouldn't it make more sense to move window/frame
related menu items from the "File" menu to the "Buffers" menu?

This will also balance these menus where the "File" menu is
currently overpopulated, and the size of the "Buffers" menu
is limited anyway (later it could be organized into submenus
grouped by modes etc.)

bug#9350: 23.3; File menu should contain "split window horizontally C-x 3"

[martin rudalics]

 >> I'd eventually want to rename `split-window' to `new-window' or
 >> `make-new-window' and give it a fourth argument - the buffer to show in
 >> the new window.
 >
 > Isn't this semantically equivalent to `switch-to-buffer-other-window'?

No.  `split-window' is low-level.  But you're right in the sense that
calls to it should be replaced by `switch-to-buffer' wherever possible.

 > And since this bug report is about menu items, another question:
 > after shifting the emphasis from windows/frames to just places where
 > to display buffers, wouldn't it make more sense to move window/frame
 > related menu items from the "File" menu to the "Buffers" menu?

Conceptually yes.  IIRC some of the buffer switching functions were in
files.el only until recently.  So the presence of window handling
function in the File menu is probably historically motivated.  But menus
are (also) for people who might not even know what buffers, windows or
frames are.  Most of them know what files are.

 > This will also balance these menus where the "File" menu is
 > currently overpopulated, and the size of the "Buffers" menu
 > is limited anyway (later it could be organized into submenus
 > grouped by modes etc.)

Doesn't the buffer menu get crowded when there are lots of live buffers?
I can't tell because I have (global-set-key [menu-bar buffer] nil) in my
.emacs for years.

martin

bug#9350: 23.3; File menu should contain "split window horizontally C-x 3"

[Juri Linkov]

> Doesn't the buffer menu get crowded when there are lots of live buffers?

It's limited to 10 most recently selected buffers,
where 10 is the default value of `buffers-menu-max-size'.