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From: Juri Linkov <juri@linkov.net>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: michael_heerdegen@web.de, gregory@heytings.org,
	monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, 51883@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#51883: 29.0.50; Command to get accidentally deleted frames back
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2022 22:49:13 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <865yq1dj81.fsf@mail.linkov.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83h79l9jgp.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 30 Jan 2022 20:17:26 +0200")

>> >> So all concerns raised by Eli are addressed now
>> >> that make possible to enable it by default
>> >> as was discussed on emacs-devel:
>> >
>> > Once again, please do NOT enable this by default, I didn't agree to
>> > that.  This feature should remain disabled by default for some time,
>> > until we have enough information to discuss whether it should be
>> > turned on by default.  As discussed and agreed during its development.
>>
>> But after the recent discussion it was agreed to enable it by default
>> after fixing raised concerns.  Everything is fixed now.
>> Should we restart the same discussion again?
>
> I see no need to restart that discussion, since we won't hear anything
> new in it.  We made a decision back then, and there's no burning
> reason to change that decision, except that some people would like to
> have that feature turned on -- they can tun it on in their
> customizations.
>
> We discuss stuff and make decisions, and we should stick to our
> decisions unless they turn out to be grave mistakes, which this one
> isn't.

Unfortunately, this is a grave mistake, so it needs more discussion
on emacs-devel.

>> >>  @item C-x 5 u
>> >>  @kindex C-x 5 u
>> >>  @findex undelete-frame
>> >> -@findex undelete-frame-mode
>> >> -When @code{undelete-frame-mode} is enabled, undelete one of the 16
>> >> -most recently deleted frames.  Without a prefix argument, undelete the
>> >> -most recently deleted frame.  With a numerical prefix argument between
>> >> -1 and 16, where 1 is the most recently deleted frame, undelete the
>> >> -corresponding deleted frame.
>> >> +@findex undelete-frame-max
>> >> +Undelete one of the recently deleted frames.  The user option
>> >
>> > "One of the recently deleted frames" sounds like Emacs arbitrarily
>> > decides which one.  Which is not  what you wanted to say, surely.
>>
>> This was copied from old text: "undelete one of the 16 most recently deleted frames".
>
> Does that mean we must blindly copy it, even if it is confusing?

I will fix this, once the patch is accepted.

>> >> +(defcustom undelete-frame-max 1
>> >> +  "Maximum number of deleted frames before oldest are thrown away."
>> >
>> > This doesn't say how to disable the feature.
>>
>> This feature can be disabled by customizing it to 0.
>
> I know.  But the doc string keeps silent on that.

Will fix this as well.

>> >>      (bindings--define-key menu [undelete-last-deleted-frame]
>> >>        '(menu-item "Undelete Frame" undelete-frame
>> >> -                  :enable (and undelete-frame-mode
>> >> -                                (car undelete-frame--deleted-frames))
>> >> +                  :visible (car undelete-frame--deleted-frames)
>> >
>> > I think Gregory didn't like the disappearing item, and preferred it to
>> > be visible at all times, even if disabled.
>>
>> The invisible item makes the already overly long menu shorter,
>> especially for users who don't use frames.
>
> So you basically say we should disregard Gregory's opinion and prefer
> yours?

This definitely needs more discussion, so I'll post the problem's description
on emacs-devel.





  reply	other threads:[~2022-01-30 20:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-11-15 23:38 bug#51883: 29.0.50; Command to get accidentally deleted frames back Michael Heerdegen
2021-11-16  7:53 ` Juri Linkov
2021-11-16  8:14   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-16 20:46   ` Juri Linkov
2021-11-16  8:49 ` Visuwesh via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2021-11-16 20:20   ` Juri Linkov
2021-11-16 15:17 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-11-16 17:05   ` Gregory Heytings
2021-11-16 17:40     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-16 21:29       ` Gregory Heytings
2021-11-17 10:02         ` Gregory Heytings
2021-11-17 13:11         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-17 17:06           ` Juri Linkov
2021-11-17 17:14             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-19  9:00           ` Gregory Heytings
2021-11-19 12:17             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-24  0:44               ` Gregory Heytings
2021-11-27 11:36                 ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-11-27 11:53                   ` Gregory Heytings
2021-11-27 12:05                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-27 12:12                       ` Gregory Heytings
2021-11-27 12:30                         ` Andreas Schwab
2021-11-27 12:34                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-27 12:23                       ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-11-27 12:40                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-27 13:22                           ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-11-27 13:26                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-27 13:34                               ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-11-27 13:56                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-27 13:59                                   ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-11-27 14:02                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-27 14:08                                       ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-11-27 14:47                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-27 14:12                                 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-11-27 14:24                                   ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-11-27 14:26                                     ` Gregory Heytings
2021-11-27 14:33                                       ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-11-27 14:42                                         ` Gregory Heytings
2021-11-27 14:54                                           ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-11-27 17:19                                             ` Gregory Heytings
2021-11-28 15:47                                               ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-11-29 13:38                                                 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-11-29 18:18                                                   ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-11-29 19:07                                                     ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-11-29 20:19                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2022-01-13  8:32                                                         ` Juri Linkov
2022-01-14  8:12                                                           ` Juri Linkov
2022-01-16 20:59                                                             ` Juri Linkov
2022-01-17  0:08                                                               ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-01-17  8:24                                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2022-01-17 13:00                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-17 18:41                                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2022-01-17 18:51                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-18 18:30                                                                     ` Juri Linkov
2022-01-19 18:37                                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2022-01-19 20:17                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-12  2:44                                                     ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-01-10  8:13                                                       ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-11-27 14:48                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-27 12:13                   ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-01-22 18:10               ` Juri Linkov
2022-01-21 17:52       ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-01-22 18:08         ` Juri Linkov
2022-01-22 21:26           ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-01-23  9:11             ` Juri Linkov
2022-01-23 16:01               ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-01-23 18:12                 ` Juri Linkov
2022-01-23 21:26                   ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-01-24 18:12                     ` Juri Linkov
2022-01-24 18:32                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-25  9:28                         ` martin rudalics
2022-01-25 12:29                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-25 15:58                             ` martin rudalics
2022-01-27 17:21                               ` Juri Linkov
2022-01-27 17:27                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-27 17:48                                   ` Juri Linkov
2022-01-24 23:00                       ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-01-27 17:19                         ` Juri Linkov
2022-01-30 16:39         ` Juri Linkov
2022-01-30 16:59           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-30 17:17             ` Juri Linkov
2022-01-30 18:17               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-30 20:49                 ` Juri Linkov [this message]
2021-11-16 20:30   ` Juri Linkov
2021-11-17  4:13 ` Richard Stallman
2021-11-17 10:07   ` Gregory Heytings
2021-11-17 16:39   ` bug#51883: [External] : " Drew Adams

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