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From: Stefan Monnier via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
To: Juri Linkov <juri@linkov.net>
Cc: michael_heerdegen@web.de, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
	Gregory Heytings <gregory@heytings.org>,
	51883@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#51883: 29.0.50; Command to get accidentally deleted frames back
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2022 11:01:08 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvwniq78ax.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <86y236vlfm.fsf@mail.linkov.net> (Juri Linkov's message of "Sun,  23 Jan 2022 11:11:17 +0200")

>>>> IIUC framesets are designed to be serializable so they shouldn't hold on
>>>> to external data like buffers and windows, so such 16 elements should
>>>> cost very little in terms of heap use.
>>> OTOH, since framesets are designed to be serializable, isn't it
>>> overkill to use framesets in the same session?
>> Not sure what you mean by "overkill".  AFAIK it makes them more lightweight.
> Without framesets it doesn't require loading frameset.el.

The alternative to framesets, AFAIK is to keep actual frames around,
which are more expansive than framesets.

Or what do you suggest we use instead?

>>> For example, `clone-frame` doesn't use framesets, and the effect of
>>> `clone-frame` should be the same as what `undelete-frame` does.
>> Except it actually creates a frame, so it requires a lot more resources.
> I don't understand: `clone-frame` creates a new frame with `make-frame`,
> and `undelete-frame` creates a new frame with `make-frame-on-display`.

I was confused.  I still haven't understood you correctly, but at
least now I'm aware of it.

I'm talking about the cost of the representation of the frames we
deleted until the moment we undelete them.  I can't see how
`clone-frame` helps in this respect.


        Stefan






  reply	other threads:[~2022-01-23 16:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-11-15 23:38 bug#51883: 29.0.50; Command to get accidentally deleted frames back Michael Heerdegen
2021-11-16  7:53 ` Juri Linkov
2021-11-16  8:14   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-16 20:46   ` Juri Linkov
2021-11-16  8:49 ` Visuwesh via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2021-11-16 20:20   ` Juri Linkov
2021-11-16 15:17 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-11-16 17:05   ` Gregory Heytings
2021-11-16 17:40     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-16 21:29       ` Gregory Heytings
2021-11-17 10:02         ` Gregory Heytings
2021-11-17 13:11         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-17 17:06           ` Juri Linkov
2021-11-17 17:14             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-19  9:00           ` Gregory Heytings
2021-11-19 12:17             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-24  0:44               ` Gregory Heytings
2021-11-27 11:36                 ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-11-27 11:53                   ` Gregory Heytings
2021-11-27 12:05                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-27 12:12                       ` Gregory Heytings
2021-11-27 12:30                         ` Andreas Schwab
2021-11-27 12:34                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-27 12:23                       ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-11-27 12:40                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-27 13:22                           ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-11-27 13:26                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-27 13:34                               ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-11-27 13:56                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-27 13:59                                   ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-11-27 14:02                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-27 14:08                                       ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-11-27 14:47                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-27 14:12                                 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-11-27 14:24                                   ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-11-27 14:26                                     ` Gregory Heytings
2021-11-27 14:33                                       ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-11-27 14:42                                         ` Gregory Heytings
2021-11-27 14:54                                           ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-11-27 17:19                                             ` Gregory Heytings
2021-11-28 15:47                                               ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-11-29 13:38                                                 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-11-29 18:18                                                   ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-11-29 19:07                                                     ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-11-29 20:19                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2022-01-13  8:32                                                         ` Juri Linkov
2022-01-14  8:12                                                           ` Juri Linkov
2022-01-16 20:59                                                             ` Juri Linkov
2022-01-17  0:08                                                               ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-01-17  8:24                                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2022-01-17 13:00                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-17 18:41                                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2022-01-17 18:51                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-18 18:30                                                                     ` Juri Linkov
2022-01-19 18:37                                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2022-01-19 20:17                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-12  2:44                                                     ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-01-10  8:13                                                       ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-11-27 14:48                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-27 12:13                   ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-01-22 18:10               ` Juri Linkov
2022-01-21 17:52       ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-01-22 18:08         ` Juri Linkov
2022-01-22 21:26           ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-01-23  9:11             ` Juri Linkov
2022-01-23 16:01               ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors [this message]
2022-01-23 18:12                 ` Juri Linkov
2022-01-23 21:26                   ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-01-24 18:12                     ` Juri Linkov
2022-01-24 18:32                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-25  9:28                         ` martin rudalics
2022-01-25 12:29                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-25 15:58                             ` martin rudalics
2022-01-27 17:21                               ` Juri Linkov
2022-01-27 17:27                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-27 17:48                                   ` Juri Linkov
2022-01-24 23:00                       ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-01-27 17:19                         ` Juri Linkov
2022-01-30 16:39         ` Juri Linkov
2022-01-30 16:59           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-30 17:17             ` Juri Linkov
2022-01-30 18:17               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-30 20:49                 ` Juri Linkov
2021-11-16 20:30   ` Juri Linkov
2021-11-17  4:13 ` Richard Stallman
2021-11-17 10:07   ` Gregory Heytings
2021-11-17 16:39   ` bug#51883: [External] : " Drew Adams

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