From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: mattias.engdegard@gmail.com, 66706@debbugs.gnu.org,
stefankangas@gmail.com
Subject: bug#66706: [PATCH] Automatic elisp dialect insertion
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2023 05:27:30 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <83y1frjv1p.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwv7cnbn83o.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (message from Stefan Monnier on Tue, 24 Oct 2023 15:19:46 -0400)
> From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
> Cc: Mattias Engdegård <mattias.engdegard@gmail.com>,
> stefankangas@gmail.com, 66706@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2023 15:19:46 -0400
>
> > As mentioned earlier, please make the automatic insertion be off by
> > default, and please reflect that in the NEWS entry.
>
> That makes the patch completely useless. There's already an opt-in
> solution (via `auto-insert`), so I'd oppose this patch if it's OFF by
> default since it's just added complexity.
>
> The whole point of this patch is to help those users who don't
> know better.
But we already have ample features that help those "who don't know
better". We turned on lexical-binding by default in *scratch* and
other situations, and we have the prominent indication in the mode
line when dynamic binding is in effect. How much more is needed, and
why?
This looks like an overkill to me. Almost like tyranny. And
inserting stuff into a buffer without the user's say-so is completely
against the Emacs spirit.
So I'm very much against this. I can live with it if it's off by
default, but if you and others cannot live with such a compromise,
then neither will I.
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2023-10-23 17:46 bug#66706: [PATCH] Automatic elisp dialect insertion Mattias Engdegård
2023-10-23 18:21 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-10-23 18:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-23 19:21 ` Stefan Kangas
2023-10-23 20:20 ` Mattias Engdegård
2023-10-24 17:31 ` Mattias Engdegård
2023-10-24 18:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-24 19:19 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-10-24 20:22 ` Stefan Kangas
2023-10-25 2:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-25 11:56 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-10-25 12:17 ` Stefan Kangas
2023-10-25 12:54 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-10-26 0:31 ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-10-26 6:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-27 3:14 ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-10-27 6:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-27 7:24 ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-10-27 7:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-27 14:41 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-10-29 12:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-25 0:59 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-10-25 1:20 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-10-25 2:01 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-10-25 3:01 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-10-25 11:48 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-10-25 12:46 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-10-25 12:48 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-10-25 14:56 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-10-25 16:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-26 0:01 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-10-25 12:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-25 13:06 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-10-25 13:20 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-10-25 13:40 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-10-26 0:07 ` Jim Porter
2023-10-26 0:40 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-10-26 0:51 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-10-26 1:19 ` Jim Porter
2023-10-26 1:41 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-10-26 3:48 ` Jim Porter
2023-10-26 5:56 ` Jim Porter
2023-10-26 7:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-26 2:37 ` Drew Adams
2023-10-26 2:28 ` Drew Adams
2023-10-26 5:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-25 13:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-25 15:11 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-10-25 16:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-25 16:10 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-10-25 16:20 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-10-26 0:02 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-10-25 18:19 ` Mattias Engdegård
2023-10-25 18:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-25 19:09 ` Mattias Engdegård
2023-10-25 23:43 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-10-26 0:07 ` Jim Porter
2023-10-26 2:34 ` Drew Adams
2023-10-26 3:56 ` Jim Porter
2023-10-26 5:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-26 6:31 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-10-26 13:54 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-10-26 14:02 ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-10-26 15:35 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-10-26 8:32 ` Mattias Engdegård
2023-10-26 11:39 ` Nikolay Kudryavtsev
2023-10-26 15:36 ` Drew Adams
2023-10-25 12:36 ` Nikolay Kudryavtsev
2023-10-25 12:48 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-10-26 11:06 ` Nikolay Kudryavtsev
2023-10-25 2:27 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
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