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From: Jim Porter <jporterbugs@gmail.com>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: 66706@debbugs.gnu.org, mattias.engdegard@gmail.com,
	Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com>, Dmitry Gutov <dmitry@gutov.dev>,
	stefankangas@gmail.com, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Subject: bug#66706: [PATCH] Automatic elisp dialect insertion
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2023 18:19:20 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ab030780-8ca6-eb4b-077a-87484db2f0d0@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwv34xyxl4p.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>

On 10/25/2023 5:51 PM, Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the 
Swiss army knife of text editors wrote:
>> In particular, what's missing from the following paragraph[1]?
>>
>>> Another way to think about let is that it is like a setq that is temporary
>>> and local. The values set by let are automatically undone when the let is
>>> finished. The setting only affects expressions that are inside the bounds
>>> of the let expression. In computer science jargon, we would say the
>>> binding of a symbol is visible only in functions called in the let form;
>>> in Emacs Lisp, the default scoping is dynamic, not lexical. (The
>>> non-default lexical binding is not discussed in this manual.)
> 
> Nothing is "missing" but the above describes dynamic binding, static
> binding has a different behavior which is not like "a setq at the
> beginning which is undone at the end".  So this paragraph needs to be
> fully rewritten.

This is helpful. The bit about 'setq' seemed a bit roundabout (to say 
the least), and while I can see how it might help explain 'let' to a 
novice, it's probably more likely to mislead them instead.

I'll start with a patch here then. I think this is also a prime spot to 
add an example or two that would actually show lexical binding in action 
(i.e. a sample where the code would do something different under dynamic 
binding).

- Jim





  reply	other threads:[~2023-10-26  1:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-10-23 17:46 bug#66706: [PATCH] Automatic elisp dialect insertion Mattias Engdegård
2023-10-23 18:21 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-10-23 18:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-23 19:21   ` Stefan Kangas
2023-10-23 20:20     ` Mattias Engdegård
2023-10-24 17:31     ` Mattias Engdegård
2023-10-24 18:25       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-24 19:19         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-10-24 20:22           ` Stefan Kangas
2023-10-25  2:31             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-25 11:56               ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-10-25 12:17               ` Stefan Kangas
2023-10-25 12:54                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-10-26  0:31                   ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-10-26  6:35                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-27  3:14                       ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-10-27  6:26                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-27  7:24                           ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-10-27  7:32                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-27 14:41                           ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-10-29 12:26                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-25  0:59           ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-10-25  1:20             ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-10-25  2:01             ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-10-25  3:01               ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-10-25 11:48                 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-10-25 12:46                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-10-25 12:48                   ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-10-25 14:56                     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-10-25 16:04                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-26  0:01                       ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-10-25 12:03               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-25 13:06                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-10-25 13:20                   ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-10-25 13:40                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-10-26  0:07                     ` Jim Porter
2023-10-26  0:40                       ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-10-26  0:51                       ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-10-26  1:19                         ` Jim Porter [this message]
2023-10-26  1:41                           ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-10-26  3:48                           ` Jim Porter
2023-10-26  5:56                             ` Jim Porter
2023-10-26  7:09                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-26  2:37                         ` Drew Adams
2023-10-26  2:28                       ` Drew Adams
2023-10-26  5:21                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-25 13:57                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-25 15:11                 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-10-25 16:08                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-25 16:10                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-10-25 16:20                       ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-10-26  0:02                         ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-10-25 18:19                     ` Mattias Engdegård
2023-10-25 18:40                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-25 19:09                         ` Mattias Engdegård
2023-10-25 23:43                           ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-10-26  0:07                           ` Jim Porter
2023-10-26  2:34                             ` Drew Adams
2023-10-26  3:56                               ` Jim Porter
2023-10-26  5:22                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-26  6:31                               ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-10-26 13:54                                 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-10-26 14:02                                   ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-10-26 15:35                                     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-10-26  8:32                             ` Mattias Engdegård
2023-10-26 11:39                               ` Nikolay Kudryavtsev
2023-10-26 15:36                                 ` Drew Adams
2023-10-25 12:36               ` Nikolay Kudryavtsev
2023-10-25 12:48                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-10-26 11:06                   ` Nikolay Kudryavtsev
2023-10-25  2:27           ` Eli Zaretskii

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