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From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Nikolay Kudryavtsev <nikolay.kudryavtsev@gmail.com>,
	"66706@debbugs.gnu.org" <66706@debbugs.gnu.org>
Subject: bug#66706: [PATCH] Automatic elisp dialect insertion
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2023 15:36:23 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <SJ0PR10MB54880DAAD947802ED2F9E545F3DDA@SJ0PR10MB5488.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d50da83c-a3cf-416a-8a9c-f7200c41713e@gmail.com>

> Dynamic binding allows you to tweak some behavior when you have to
> conform to an existing API, even when it has not been properly designed
> to to support your use case. We just don't know how much 3rd party code
> uses it in this perfectly valid way and refactoring those mature API to
> support even some of the use cases like that may not be realistically
> doable or worth it in the first place.

I believe this discussion is not about dynamic
binding as such; it's about having the default
be lexical binding.

That is, it's about having, by default, the
behavior you get with lexical-binding=nil.

That doesn't prevent any use of dynamic binding.
What it does is make Elisp behave like Common
Lisp wrt lexical/dynamic: It makes lexical
binding the _default_; nothing more.  To get
dynamic binding for something you need to tell
Lisp that it's "special".

And yes, everything you said about dynamic
binding is correct: it is extremely useful, in
particular for an application such as Emacs.

But wrt that there should be no special need
to refactor anything.  The problem (need for
rewriting/refactoring) is code for code that
expects or depends on dynamic binding by
default.

Long ago RMS summarized the special advantages
dynamic binding offers for an app such as Emacs:

https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/emacs-paper.html#SEC17

https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/emacs-paper.html#SEC18

  reply	other threads:[~2023-10-26 15:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-10-23 17:46 bug#66706: [PATCH] Automatic elisp dialect insertion Mattias Engdegård
2023-10-23 18:21 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-10-23 18:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-23 19:21   ` Stefan Kangas
2023-10-23 20:20     ` Mattias Engdegård
2023-10-24 17:31     ` Mattias Engdegård
2023-10-24 18:25       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-24 19:19         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-10-24 20:22           ` Stefan Kangas
2023-10-25  2:31             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-25 11:56               ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-10-25 12:17               ` Stefan Kangas
2023-10-25 12:54                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-10-26  0:31                   ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-10-26  6:35                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-27  3:14                       ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-10-27  6:26                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-27  7:24                           ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-10-27  7:32                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-27 14:41                           ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-10-29 12:26                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-25  0:59           ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-10-25  1:20             ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-10-25  2:01             ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-10-25  3:01               ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-10-25 11:48                 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-10-25 12:46                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-10-25 12:48                   ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-10-25 14:56                     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-10-25 16:04                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-26  0:01                       ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-10-25 12:03               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-25 13:06                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-10-25 13:20                   ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-10-25 13:40                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-10-26  0:07                     ` Jim Porter
2023-10-26  0:40                       ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-10-26  0:51                       ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-10-26  1:19                         ` Jim Porter
2023-10-26  1:41                           ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-10-26  3:48                           ` Jim Porter
2023-10-26  5:56                             ` Jim Porter
2023-10-26  7:09                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-26  2:37                         ` Drew Adams
2023-10-26  2:28                       ` Drew Adams
2023-10-26  5:21                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-25 13:57                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-25 15:11                 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-10-25 16:08                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-25 16:10                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-10-25 16:20                       ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-10-26  0:02                         ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-10-25 18:19                     ` Mattias Engdegård
2023-10-25 18:40                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-25 19:09                         ` Mattias Engdegård
2023-10-25 23:43                           ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-10-26  0:07                           ` Jim Porter
2023-10-26  2:34                             ` Drew Adams
2023-10-26  3:56                               ` Jim Porter
2023-10-26  5:22                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-26  6:31                               ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-10-26 13:54                                 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-10-26 14:02                                   ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-10-26 15:35                                     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-10-26  8:32                             ` Mattias Engdegård
2023-10-26 11:39                               ` Nikolay Kudryavtsev
2023-10-26 15:36                                 ` Drew Adams [this message]
2023-10-25 12:36               ` Nikolay Kudryavtsev
2023-10-25 12:48                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-10-26 11:06                   ` Nikolay Kudryavtsev
2023-10-25  2:27           ` Eli Zaretskii

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