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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Philip Kaludercic <philipk@posteo.net>
Cc: soliditsallgood@mailbox.org, felician.nemeth@gmail.com,
	60418@debbugs.gnu.org, stefankangas@gmail.com
Subject: bug#60418: [PATCH] Add :vc keyword to use-package
Date: Fri, 05 May 2023 08:36:31 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83ild7jq5c.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <878re3cqro.fsf@posteo.net> (message from Philip Kaludercic on Fri, 05 May 2023 05:04:59 +0000)

> From: Philip Kaludercic <philipk@posteo.net>
> Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,  60418@debbugs.gnu.org,
>   felician.nemeth@gmail.com,  stefankangas@gmail.com
> Date: Fri, 05 May 2023 05:04:59 +0000
> 
> Tony Zorman <soliditsallgood@mailbox.org> writes:
> 
> > You're right, but I don't think I'm using them as synonyms. There is a
> > big difference between
> >
> >     (package-vc-install "foo")
> >
> > which installs the latest "commit" (or revision, which I'm actually
> > using as a synonym to commit) of a package, and
> >
> >     (package-vc-install "foo" :last-release)
> >
> > which installs the latest "release". A release, as defined by
> > package-vc.el seems to be 'the latest revision that bumps the "Version"
> > tag.' It is queried in the package-vc--release-rev function, and
> > actually retrieved in vc-retrieve-tag. The "Version" tag is, I think,
> > just the "Version: XXX" string that's specified in the top comment of
> > the main elisp file of the respective repository.
> 
> How about we just say "the commit of the latest release"?

When package-vc-install is used, what is "the latest release"? isn't
that the HEAD of the default branch?  IOW, what about packages that
make no releases at all?

> >> All I know is that when I've read the documentation you wrote, I asked
> >> myself "what is meant by 'release' here?"  I found the answer when you
> >> later wrote "last commit".
> >>
> >> Are you talking about commits?  More generally, what kind of "release
> >> IDs" does :rev accept as its valid value?
> >
> > The :rev keyword accepts the same as REV of package-vc-install, which is
> > either
> >
> >   - nil, signaling that the latest commit should be installed,
> >
> >   - :last-release, signaling that the last release should be installed,
> >     or
> >
> >   - a "version string" appropriate for the respective version control
> >     system, specifying that version (e.g., a specific commit hash).
> 
> All correct.
> 
> >> I understand that the same confusion could exist elsewhere, but that
> >> doesn't mean we should proliferate it or even live with what we have.
> >> We should instead clarify this in every place where we use this
> >> terminology.
> >>
> >> So let's figure out what are these "releases", and then let's examine
> >> the existing and the new documentation and see if we need to get our
> >> terminology right there.
> >
> > I totally agree, and I think the fact that "release" means "when has the
> > release version as specified in the main .el file changed" should be
> > documented somewhere (if it is I didn't see it). Sorry that this has
> > caused so much confusion.
> 
> Are there any other places where we can fix this confusion?

I guess the documentation of package-vc-install shares these issues?





  reply	other threads:[~2023-05-05  5:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-12-29 18:43 bug#60418: [PATCH] Add :vc keyword to use-package Tony Zorman via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
     [not found] ` <handler.60418.B.167238381823776.ack@debbugs.gnu.org>
2023-01-14 12:48   ` Tony Zorman via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-03-31 14:13     ` Felician Nemeth
2023-03-31 15:38       ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-04-07 14:11         ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-04-08  8:48           ` Felician Nemeth
2023-04-08  9:06             ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-04-08  9:25               ` Felician Nemeth
2023-04-08 10:41                 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-04-11 14:10                   ` Felician Nemeth
2023-04-12  7:12                 ` Tony Zorman via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-04-12  7:34                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-04-12  9:00                     ` Tony Zorman via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-04-16 15:43                       ` Tony Zorman via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-04-16 16:10                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-17 19:39                           ` Tony Zorman via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-04-18 12:13                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-19 17:38                               ` Tony Zorman via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-04-22  9:26                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-22 11:34                                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-04-23  5:51                                     ` John Wiegley
2023-04-22 11:32                                 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-04-23  6:07                                   ` Tony Zorman via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-04-23 12:35                                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-04-24 12:36                                       ` Tony Zorman via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-05-01 19:43                                         ` Tony Zorman via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-05-01 20:01                                           ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-05-02 13:18                                             ` Ruijie Yu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-05-02 13:59                                               ` Robert Pluim
2023-05-02 15:09                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-02 14:36                                             ` Tony Zorman via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-05-02 12:40                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-02 14:22                                             ` Tony Zorman via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-05-02 15:16                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-04  8:13                                                 ` Tony Zorman via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-05-04 10:39                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-05  5:04                                                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-05-05  5:36                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2023-05-05  5:49                                                       ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-05-05  6:53                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-05 17:15                                                           ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-05-05 18:45                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-06 18:50                                                               ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-05-06 19:13                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-07  7:34                                                                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-05-06 19:39                                                                 ` Tony Zorman via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-05-07  8:52                                                                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-05-16 19:30                                                                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-05-17  5:42                                                                       ` Tony Zorman via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-04-16 16:18                         ` Ruijie Yu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors

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