* bug#23171: 25.0.92; Key binding conventions for all modifiers
@ 2016-03-31 17:40 Philipp Stephani
2016-03-31 19:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: Philipp Stephani @ 2016-03-31 17:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 23171
The manual entry "Key binding conventions" talks only about a small
subset of possible key bindings, such as the C-c prefix and the function
keys. Keys with Meta, Super, Hyper, and Alt are not documented. The
manual should contain conventions/rules for all possible keys.
In GNU Emacs 25.0.92.1 (x86_64-apple-darwin15.4.0, NS appkit-1404.46 Version 10.11.4 (Build 15E65))
of 2016-03-25 built on p
Windowing system distributor 'Apple', version 10.3.1404
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* bug#23171: 25.0.92; Key binding conventions for all modifiers
2016-03-31 17:40 bug#23171: 25.0.92; Key binding conventions for all modifiers Philipp Stephani
@ 2016-03-31 19:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-31 19:32 ` Philipp Stephani
0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2016-03-31 19:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Philipp Stephani; +Cc: 23171
> From: Philipp Stephani <p.stephani2@gmail.com>
> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2016 19:40:25 +0200
>
> The manual entry "Key binding conventions" talks only about a small
> subset of possible key bindings, such as the C-c prefix and the function
> keys. Keys with Meta, Super, Hyper, and Alt are not documented. The
> manual should contain conventions/rules for all possible keys.
I'm not sure I understand the essence of the report. There's a whole
section (named, unsurprisingly, "Key Bindings") dedicated to key
bindings, and a subsection there named "Modifier Keys" covers all the
modifiers, AFAICT.
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* bug#23171: 25.0.92; Key binding conventions for all modifiers
2016-03-31 19:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2016-03-31 19:32 ` Philipp Stephani
2019-11-08 4:51 ` Stefan Kangas
0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: Philipp Stephani @ 2016-03-31 19:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 23171
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Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> schrieb am Do., 31. März 2016 um 21:26 Uhr:
> > From: Philipp Stephani <p.stephani2@gmail.com>
> > Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2016 19:40:25 +0200
> >
> > The manual entry "Key binding conventions" talks only about a small
> > subset of possible key bindings, such as the C-c prefix and the function
> > keys. Keys with Meta, Super, Hyper, and Alt are not documented. The
> > manual should contain conventions/rules for all possible keys.
>
> I'm not sure I understand the essence of the report. There's a whole
> section (named, unsurprisingly, "Key Bindings") dedicated to key
> bindings, and a subsection there named "Modifier Keys" covers all the
> modifiers, AFAICT.
>
What I mean is a specification which combinations are reserved for the
user, minor modes, and major modes. Context is
http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=22604, where such an addition
was requested for C-c combinations. Here I request one for all keys.
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* bug#23171: 25.0.92; Key binding conventions for all modifiers
2016-03-31 19:32 ` Philipp Stephani
@ 2019-11-08 4:51 ` Stefan Kangas
2019-11-08 13:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-01-26 14:38 ` Philipp Stephani
0 siblings, 2 replies; 9+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Kangas @ 2019-11-08 4:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Philipp Stephani; +Cc: 23171
Philipp Stephani <p.stephani2@gmail.com> writes:
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> schrieb am Do., 31. März 2016 um 21:26 Uhr:
>
> > From: Philipp Stephani <p.stephani2@gmail.com>
> > Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2016 19:40:25 +0200
> >
> > The manual entry "Key binding conventions" talks only about a small
> > subset of possible key bindings, such as the C-c prefix and the function
> > keys. Keys with Meta, Super, Hyper, and Alt are not documented. The
> > manual should contain conventions/rules for all possible keys.
>
> I'm not sure I understand the essence of the report. There's a whole
> section (named, unsurprisingly, "Key Bindings") dedicated to key
> bindings, and a subsection there named "Modifier Keys" covers all the
> modifiers, AFAICT.
>
> What I mean is a specification which combinations are reserved for the user, minor modes, and major modes. Context is
> http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=22604, where such an addition was requested for C-c combinations. Here I request
> one for all keys.
Which conventions are we talking about here more specifically? Could
you enumerate them or give a couple of examples?
Best regards,
Stefan Kangas
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* bug#23171: 25.0.92; Key binding conventions for all modifiers
2019-11-08 4:51 ` Stefan Kangas
@ 2019-11-08 13:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-01-15 5:55 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-01-26 14:36 ` Philipp Stephani
2020-01-26 14:38 ` Philipp Stephani
1 sibling, 2 replies; 9+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2019-11-08 13:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Stefan Kangas; +Cc: 23171, p.stephani2
> From: Stefan Kangas <stefan@marxist.se>
> Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, 23171@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2019 05:51:38 +0100
>
> Philipp Stephani <p.stephani2@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> schrieb am Do., 31. März 2016 um 21:26 Uhr:
> >
> > > From: Philipp Stephani <p.stephani2@gmail.com>
> > > Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2016 19:40:25 +0200
> > >
> > > The manual entry "Key binding conventions" talks only about a small
> > > subset of possible key bindings, such as the C-c prefix and the function
> > > keys. Keys with Meta, Super, Hyper, and Alt are not documented. The
> > > manual should contain conventions/rules for all possible keys.
> >
> > I'm not sure I understand the essence of the report. There's a whole
> > section (named, unsurprisingly, "Key Bindings") dedicated to key
> > bindings, and a subsection there named "Modifier Keys" covers all the
> > modifiers, AFAICT.
> >
> > What I mean is a specification which combinations are reserved for the user, minor modes, and major modes. Context is
> > http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=22604, where such an addition was requested for C-c combinations. Here I request
> > one for all keys.
>
> Which conventions are we talking about here more specifically? Could
> you enumerate them or give a couple of examples?
FWIW, I don't see any need for any further specifications. The manual
says what keys to reserve; all those which aren't mentioned, including
with modifiers, aren't reserved.
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* bug#23171: 25.0.92; Key binding conventions for all modifiers
2019-11-08 13:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2020-01-15 5:55 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-01-26 14:36 ` Philipp Stephani
1 sibling, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Kangas @ 2020-01-15 5:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 23171, p.stephani2
tags 23171 + notabug wontfix
close 23171
thanks
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>> > > The manual entry "Key binding conventions" talks only about a small
>> > > subset of possible key bindings, such as the C-c prefix and the function
>> > > keys. Keys with Meta, Super, Hyper, and Alt are not documented. The
>> > > manual should contain conventions/rules for all possible keys.
>> >
>> > I'm not sure I understand the essence of the report. There's a whole
>> > section (named, unsurprisingly, "Key Bindings") dedicated to key
>> > bindings, and a subsection there named "Modifier Keys" covers all the
>> > modifiers, AFAICT.
>> >
>> > What I mean is a specification which combinations are reserved for the user, minor modes, and major modes. Context is
>> > http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=22604, where such an addition was requested for C-c combinations. Here I request
>> > one for all keys.
>>
>> Which conventions are we talking about here more specifically? Could
>> you enumerate them or give a couple of examples?
>
> FWIW, I don't see any need for any further specifications. The manual
> says what keys to reserve; all those which aren't mentioned, including
> with modifiers, aren't reserved.
I agree.
And since there has been no further comments within 9 weeks, I'm now
also closing this bug report.
Best regards,
Stefan Kangas
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* bug#23171: 25.0.92; Key binding conventions for all modifiers
2019-11-08 13:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-01-15 5:55 ` Stefan Kangas
@ 2020-01-26 14:36 ` Philipp Stephani
2020-01-26 16:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
1 sibling, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: Philipp Stephani @ 2020-01-26 14:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 23171, Stefan Kangas
Am Fr., 8. Nov. 2019 um 14:06 Uhr schrieb Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>:
>
> > From: Stefan Kangas <stefan@marxist.se>
> > Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, 23171@debbugs.gnu.org
> > Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2019 05:51:38 +0100
> >
> > Philipp Stephani <p.stephani2@gmail.com> writes:
> >
> > > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> schrieb am Do., 31. März 2016 um 21:26 Uhr:
> > >
> > > > From: Philipp Stephani <p.stephani2@gmail.com>
> > > > Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2016 19:40:25 +0200
> > > >
> > > > The manual entry "Key binding conventions" talks only about a small
> > > > subset of possible key bindings, such as the C-c prefix and the function
> > > > keys. Keys with Meta, Super, Hyper, and Alt are not documented. The
> > > > manual should contain conventions/rules for all possible keys.
> > >
> > > I'm not sure I understand the essence of the report. There's a whole
> > > section (named, unsurprisingly, "Key Bindings") dedicated to key
> > > bindings, and a subsection there named "Modifier Keys" covers all the
> > > modifiers, AFAICT.
> > >
> > > What I mean is a specification which combinations are reserved for the user, minor modes, and major modes. Context is
> > > http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=22604, where such an addition was requested for C-c combinations. Here I request
> > > one for all keys.
> >
> > Which conventions are we talking about here more specifically? Could
> > you enumerate them or give a couple of examples?
>
> FWIW, I don't see any need for any further specifications. The manual
> says what keys to reserve; all those which aren't mentioned, including
> with modifiers, aren't reserved.
What does it mean for a key sequence to be unreserved? Anybody can use
it for any purpose? If so, how do we prevent clashes between these
unreserved sequences?
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* bug#23171: 25.0.92; Key binding conventions for all modifiers
2019-11-08 4:51 ` Stefan Kangas
2019-11-08 13:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2020-01-26 14:38 ` Philipp Stephani
1 sibling, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread
From: Philipp Stephani @ 2020-01-26 14:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Stefan Kangas; +Cc: 23171
Am Fr., 8. Nov. 2019 um 05:51 Uhr schrieb Stefan Kangas <stefan@marxist.se>:
>
> Philipp Stephani <p.stephani2@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> schrieb am Do., 31. März 2016 um 21:26 Uhr:
> >
> > > From: Philipp Stephani <p.stephani2@gmail.com>
> > > Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2016 19:40:25 +0200
> > >
> > > The manual entry "Key binding conventions" talks only about a small
> > > subset of possible key bindings, such as the C-c prefix and the function
> > > keys. Keys with Meta, Super, Hyper, and Alt are not documented. The
> > > manual should contain conventions/rules for all possible keys.
> >
> > I'm not sure I understand the essence of the report. There's a whole
> > section (named, unsurprisingly, "Key Bindings") dedicated to key
> > bindings, and a subsection there named "Modifier Keys" covers all the
> > modifiers, AFAICT.
> >
> > What I mean is a specification which combinations are reserved for the user, minor modes, and major modes. Context is
> > http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=22604, where such an addition was requested for C-c combinations. Here I request
> > one for all keys.
>
> Which conventions are we talking about here more specifically? Could
> you enumerate them or give a couple of examples?
For example, anything including one or more of the Super, Hyper, and
Alt modifiers. Or sequences consisting of C-c and a non-ASCII letter.
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* bug#23171: 25.0.92; Key binding conventions for all modifiers
2020-01-26 14:36 ` Philipp Stephani
@ 2020-01-26 16:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2020-01-26 16:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Philipp Stephani; +Cc: 23171, stefan
> From: Philipp Stephani <p.stephani2@gmail.com>
> Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2020 15:36:08 +0100
> Cc: Stefan Kangas <stefan@marxist.se>, 23171@debbugs.gnu.org
>
> > FWIW, I don't see any need for any further specifications. The manual
> > says what keys to reserve; all those which aren't mentioned, including
> > with modifiers, aren't reserved.
>
> What does it mean for a key sequence to be unreserved? Anybody can use
> it for any purpose?
Yes, AFAIU.
> If so, how do we prevent clashes between these unreserved sequences?
We don't. It's up to the authors of the various packages to make
sure they don't step on keybindings of any other packages, except if
those other packages can never be used with this package. What else
can we do?
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