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From: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: grfz@gmx.de, 16292@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#16292: 24.3.50; info docs now contain single straight quotes instead of `'
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 11:07:02 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <52C1C456.2080004@cs.ucla.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83sita1cbw.fsf@gnu.org>

Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> we cannot possibly distribute documentation that looks like
> this in some locales.

Yes we can.  We've been distributing documentation like that for years.
Latin-1 markup (which you're advocating) is not legible in all locales.
It's not legible in Shift-JIS, for example.  And I don't see how Latin-1
markup can work in a text reader in a UTF-8 locale.

> So now we are left with a few files that still specify UTF-8, and
> still screw up text-mode Info readers in some locales.

It's not just the few files that specify "@documentencoding UTF-8".
It's several other files that contain UTF-8 characters, files like
dbus.texi.  These files are being mishandled now, because of the revert,
because makeinfo isn't being told what their encoding is.  And the
first of these files that I found, namely dbus.texi, is specifically
talking about multibyte characters in its example, so converting it
to Latin-1 would destroy the point of that example.

I sympathize with the goal of producing .info files portable to
all locales, but this revert is not solving that problem and it is
making matters significantly worse in other areas.  The other change
you're advocating (converting to Latin-1) would be worse yet.

Instead, I suggest undoing the revert, and adding something to
postprocess the info files, to produce ASCII-only info files.
These could be used in locales that don't grok UTF-8.  Doing
this will avoid screwing up the documentation in .html and .pdf
formats.  I'll volunteer to write that.





  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-12-30 19:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 104+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-12-29 22:08 bug#16292: 24.3.50; info docs now contain single straight quotes instead of `' Gregor Zattler
2013-12-30  1:14 ` Glenn Morris
2013-12-30  3:07   ` Drew Adams
2013-12-30  3:26     ` Glenn Morris
2013-12-30  3:23 ` Paul Eggert
2013-12-30  4:10   ` Drew Adams
2013-12-30 17:24   ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-12-30 17:33     ` Drew Adams
2013-12-30 18:03       ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-12-30 19:07     ` Paul Eggert [this message]
2013-12-30 19:29       ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-12-30 19:46         ` Andreas Schwab
2013-12-30 20:08           ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-12-30 20:35             ` Andreas Schwab
2013-12-31  8:03               ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-12-31  5:51           ` Paul Eggert
2013-12-31  5:58         ` Paul Eggert
2013-12-31  8:27           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-02  2:05             ` Paul Eggert
2014-01-02  3:42               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-02  4:50                 ` Paul Eggert
2014-01-02 15:51                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-02 19:28                     ` Paul Eggert
2014-01-02 20:56                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-03  0:44                         ` Paul Eggert
2014-01-03  8:03                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-03 17:26                             ` Paul Eggert
2014-01-03 20:18                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-03 20:48                                 ` Paul Eggert
2014-01-03 21:12                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-03 21:52                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-04  0:07                                   ` Paul Eggert
2014-01-04  0:40                                     ` Drew Adams
2014-01-04  0:49                                       ` Paul Eggert
2014-01-04  7:27                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-04  5:18                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-04  7:45                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                                         ` <<jwvtxdjlcdq.fsf-monnier+emacsbugs@gnu.org>
2014-01-04 18:01                                         ` Paul Eggert
2014-01-04 20:11                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                                           ` <<83mwjbv75f.fsf@gnu.org>
2014-01-04 20:24                                             ` Drew Adams
2014-01-04 20:42                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-04 20:30                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-04 20:45                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                                             ` <<jwv38l3lagj.fsf-monnier+emacsbugs@gnu.org>
2014-01-04 20:53                                             ` Paul Eggert
2014-01-04 21:08                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-04 23:29                                                 ` Paul Eggert
2014-01-05  3:47                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-05  5:23                                                     ` Paul Eggert
2014-01-05 16:30                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-04 21:11                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-05  3:43                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                                                 ` <<jwvsit3owo1.fsf-monnier+emacsbugs@gnu.org>
2014-01-05  4:55                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-05 16:19                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                                                     ` <<52C9BA68.7050703@cs.ucla.edu>
2014-01-05 20:02                                                     ` Paul Eggert
2014-01-05 20:06                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                                                         ` <<52C9BCBF.7050904@cs.ucla.edu>
2014-01-05 20:12                                                         ` Paul Eggert
2014-01-05 20:19                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                                                             ` <<52C9E53D.8070106@cs.ucla.edu>
2014-01-05 23:05                                                             ` Paul Eggert
2014-01-06  3:54                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                                                                 ` <<52CA3FB9.30509@cs.ucla.edu>
2014-01-06  4:39                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-06  5:31                                                                 ` Paul Eggert
2014-01-06 16:15                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-07  1:15                                                                     ` Paul Eggert
2014-01-07  3:56                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                                                                     ` <<52CB5517.4030502@cs.ucla.edu>
     [not found]                                                                       ` <<83lhyssawf.fsf@gnu.org>
     [not found]                                                                         ` <da0ad1dc-90f0-4c6d-9325-7783b2cd5bff@de>
2014-05-02 18:11                                                                         ` Drew Adams
2014-05-02 18:22                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-05-02 19:07                                                                           ` Paul Eggert
2014-05-02 19:19                                                                             ` Glenn Morris
2014-05-02 19:28                                                                               ` Paul Eggert
2014-05-02 21:10                                                                                 ` Glenn Morris
2014-05-02 21:25                                                                                   ` Paul Eggert
2014-05-02 19:33                                                                             ` Drew Adams
2014-05-02 20:36                                                                               ` Paul Eggert
2014-05-02 20:53                                                                                 ` Drew Adams
2014-05-02 21:14                                                                                   ` Paul Eggert
2014-05-02 21:28                                                                                     ` Drew Adams
2014-05-02 21:47                                                                                       ` Paul Eggert
2014-05-03  6:02                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-05-03  6:56                                                                                 ` Paul Eggert
     [not found]                                                                         ` <<da0ad1dc-90f0-4c6d-9325-7783b2cd5bff@default>
     [not found]                                                                           ` <<83eh0c11mt.fsf@gnu.org>
2014-05-02 19:20                                                                             ` Drew Adams
2014-05-03  9:27                                                                               ` Juri Linkov
2014-05-03 13:50                                                                                 ` Drew Adams
2014-05-03 15:51                                                                                   ` Drew Adams
2014-05-07 20:21                                                                                     ` Juri Linkov
2014-05-07 20:41                                                                                       ` Drew Adams
2014-01-04 17:50                                       ` Paul Eggert
2014-01-04 20:08                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-04 20:53                                           ` Paul Eggert
2014-01-04 21:10                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-04 23:35                                               ` Paul Eggert
2014-01-05  3:49                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-04 20:32                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-04  7:41                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-04  7:38                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-02  4:19     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-02  4:48       ` Paul Eggert
2014-01-02 15:28         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-05-03  0:55 ` Glenn Morris
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