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From: Dmitry Gutov <dmitry@gutov.dev>
To: "João Távora" <joaotavora@gmail.com>
Cc: jporterbugs@gmail.com, philipk@posteo.net, 62720@debbugs.gnu.org,
	monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
	larsi@gnus.org
Subject: bug#62720: 29.0.60; Not easy at all to upgrade :core packages like Eglot
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2023 03:22:32 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4fa6c27f-214e-a03f-17be-2e32d64a2795@gutov.dev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALDnm51TmBUSUFYLP=kkXaW=uVkOEZHCVjDOA92o7cd1moLE0A@mail.gmail.com>

On 20/04/2023 17:40, João Távora wrote:
> Yes, for sure, we'll deprecate it and make it re-route to
> package-upgrade.  And what do you think of the idea of package.el
> becoming :core itself.  It doesn't seem to have many dependencies.
> If that were to happen and the fixed package.el you (or someone else)
> is going to eventually propose to Emacs 29 was out in the open,
> eglot-update wouldn't be needed.  And we would never have these
> discussions under the shadow of the no-more-changes and
> the pretest's pressure.

I don't know, someone should really test that idea, hard.

It could exhibit the same problem that some package upgrades do: the 
installed packages is not properly reloaded, and the new version is not 
quite usable until Emacs' restart (I recall you saw something like this 
with project.el).

For such a central piece of infrastructure this could be a bigger 
problem by itself, and could even be made worse by the fact that the 
code which installs the new version of package.el also belongs to it, so 
it'll be hotswapped (right?) sometime during its execution.





  reply	other threads:[~2023-04-21  0:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 278+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-04-07 22:12 bug#62720: 29.0.60; Not easy at all to upgrade :core packages like Eglot João Távora
2023-04-08  1:03 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-04-08 10:43   ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-04-08 10:48     ` João Távora
2023-04-08 14:42       ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-04-08 15:25         ` João Távora
2023-04-08 15:45         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-04-10 16:01           ` João Távora
2023-04-10 18:13             ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-04-11 11:02               ` João Távora
2023-04-11 11:40                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-11 12:52                   ` João Távora
2023-04-11 17:55                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-11 18:31                       ` João Távora
2023-04-11 18:52                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-11 20:08                           ` João Távora
2023-04-11 20:25                             ` João Távora
2023-04-12  5:49                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-12  7:58                               ` João Távora
2023-04-12  8:19                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-12  8:51                                   ` João Távora
2023-04-12 10:23                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-12 10:38                                       ` João Távora
2023-04-12 11:01                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-12 11:00                                       ` João Távora
2023-04-12 11:08                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-12 11:15                                           ` João Távora
2023-04-12 11:22                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-12 11:35                                               ` João Távora
2023-04-12 11:47                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-12 12:01                                                   ` João Távora
2023-04-12 12:00                                               ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-04-12 12:18                                                 ` João Távora
2023-04-12 12:28                                                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-04-12 12:55                                                     ` João Távora
2023-04-12 12:30                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-12 13:42                                                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-04-12 14:11                                                     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-04-12 14:14                                                       ` João Távora
2023-04-12 14:17                                                         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-04-12 14:20                                                           ` João Távora
2023-04-12 15:18                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-12 16:13                                                       ` João Távora
2023-04-12 16:16                                                         ` João Távora
2023-04-12 16:53                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-12 17:14                                                           ` João Távora
2023-04-12 17:22                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-12 17:43                                                               ` João Távora
2023-04-12 19:09                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-12 19:39                                                               ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-04-13  5:30                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-13  7:38                                                                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-04-13  8:11                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-13 11:23                                                                       ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-04-13 15:03                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-13 15:10                                                                           ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-04-13 15:56                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-13 17:49                                                                               ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-04-13 18:15                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-13 18:49                                                                                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-04-14 10:54                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-14 12:34                                                                                       ` Robert Pluim
2023-04-14 12:56                                                                                         ` João Távora
2023-04-14 13:52                                                                                           ` Robert Pluim
2023-04-14 15:34                                                                                             ` João Távora
2023-04-14 15:52                                                                                               ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-04-14 16:05                                                                                                 ` João Távora
2023-04-14 16:28                                                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-04-14 16:34                                                                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-14 16:40                                                                                                     ` João Távora
2023-04-14 16:53                                                                                                       ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-04-14 17:49                                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-14 18:32                                                                                                     ` João Távora
2023-04-14 18:49                                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-14 19:03                                                                                                         ` João Távora
2023-04-14 19:18                                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-14 19:31                                                                                                             ` João Távora
2023-04-14 16:12                                                                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-14 16:31                                                                                                 ` João Távora
2023-04-14 16:54                                                                                                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-04-14 17:32                                                                                                     ` João Távora
2023-04-14 18:27                                                                                                       ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-04-14 18:39                                                                                                         ` João Távora
2023-04-14 19:33                                                                                                           ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-04-14 19:48                                                                                                             ` João Távora
2023-04-14 17:53                                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-14 18:44                                                                                                     ` João Távora
2023-04-14 18:51                                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-14 19:14                                                                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-14 19:19                                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-14 19:21                                                                                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-14 19:30                                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-14 19:34                                                                                                               ` João Távora
2023-04-14 19:20                                                                                                         ` João Távora
2023-04-14 19:28                                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-14 19:46                                                                                                             ` João Távora
2023-04-14 20:04                                                                                                               ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-04-15  8:35                                                                                                                 ` João Távora
2023-04-15 10:40                                                                                                                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-04-15 10:44                                                                                                                     ` João Távora
2023-04-15 12:34                                                                                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-15  9:03                                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-15 10:24                                                                                                                 ` João Távora
2023-04-15 10:28                                                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-15 11:19                                                                                                                   ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2023-04-15 12:33                                                                                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-15 13:36                                                                                                                     ` João Távora
2023-04-15 16:53                                                                                                                       ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-04-15 21:16                                                                                                                       ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2023-04-16 10:23                                                                                                                         ` João Távora
2023-04-16 20:46                                                                                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-16 21:54                                                                                                               ` João Távora
2023-04-17  2:30                                                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-17  2:24                                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-18  1:25                                                                                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-18 11:44                                                                                                                   ` João Távora
2023-04-18 20:38                                                                                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-18 20:56                                                                                                                       ` João Távora
2023-04-18 21:06                                                                                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-18 21:15                                                                                                                           ` João Távora
2023-04-18 21:20                                                                                                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-19 12:05                                                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-19 13:04                                                                                                                                 ` João Távora
2023-04-19 13:35                                                                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-19 14:04                                                                                                                                     ` João Távora
2023-04-19 16:02                                                                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-19 16:17                                                                                                                                         ` João Távora
2023-04-19 15:48                                                                                                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-19 16:10                                                                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-19 16:23                                                                                                                                     ` João Távora
2023-04-19 16:50                                                                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-19 17:27                                                                                                                                         ` João Távora
2023-04-19 18:00                                                                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-19 18:27                                                                                                                                             ` João Távora
2023-04-19 18:48                                                                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-19 17:23                                                                                                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-19 17:53                                                                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
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2023-04-20 10:02                                                                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-20 10:31                                                                                                                                                 ` João Távora
2023-04-20 11:49                                                                                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-20 11:53                                                                                                                                                     ` João Távora
2023-04-20 12:14                                                                                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-20 13:39                                                                                                                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-20 13:56                                                                                                                                                   ` João Távora
2023-04-20 14:25                                                                                                                                                     ` João Távora
2023-04-20 14:31                                                                                                                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-20 14:40                                                                                                                                                         ` João Távora
2023-04-21  0:22                                                                                                                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov [this message]
2023-04-20 14:49                                                                                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-20 15:03                                                                                                                                                         ` João Távora
2023-04-20 14:51                                                                                                                                                       ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-04-20 14:30                                                                                                                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-20 14:25                                                                                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-20 18:08                                                                                                                                                     ` Robert Pluim
2023-04-20 18:24                                                                                                                                                       ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-04-20 18:53                                                                                                                                                       ` João Távora
2023-04-24  7:48                                                                                                                                                         ` Robert Pluim
2023-04-24  8:57                                                                                                                                                           ` João Távora
2023-04-24  9:38                                                                                                                                                             ` Robert Pluim
2023-04-24 11:43                                                                                                                                                               ` João Távora
2023-04-24 13:01                                                                                                                                                                 ` Robert Pluim
2023-04-24 13:08                                                                                                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-24 13:12                                                                                                                                                                     ` Robert Pluim
2023-04-24 20:36                                                                                                                                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-24 22:45                                                                                                                                                                   ` João Távora
2023-04-21  0:50                                                                                                                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-21  6:37                                                                                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-21 10:19                                                                                                                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-21 11:05                                                                                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-21 23:12                                                                                                                                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-22  0:57                                                                                                                                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-22  8:33                                                                                                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-22 10:30                                                                                                                                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-22 11:11                                                                                                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-22 11:24                                                                                                                                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-22 11:29                                                                                                                                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-22 12:01                                                                                                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-22 12:00                                                                                                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-22 12:14                                                                                                                                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-22 12:24                                                                                                                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-22 23:46                                                                                                                                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-23  6:39                                                                                                                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-23 11:58                                                                                                                                                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-23 13:02                                                                                                                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-23 13:11                                                                                                                                                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-23 14:24                                                                                                                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-23 21:53                                                                                                                                                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-24 11:58                                                                                                                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-24 23:45                                                                                                                                                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-25  7:47                                                                                                                                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-25 12:08                                                                                                                                                                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-25 12:12                                                                                                                                                                                                 ` João Távora
2023-04-25 12:43                                                                                                                                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-25 18:35                                                                                                                                                                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-26 23:05                                                                                                                                                                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-27  5:41                                                                                                                                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-27  9:00                                                                                                                                                                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-27 10:44                                                                                                                                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-27 23:51                                                                                                                                                                                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-28  5:19                                                                                                                                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-04 23:58                                                                                                                                                                                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-05-05  5:04                                                                                                                                                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-05  5:41                                                                                                                                                                                                                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-05-05 13:58                                                                                                                                                                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-05-05 14:05                                                                                                                                                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-06  1:02                                                                                                                                                                                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-23 13:05                                                                                                                                                                               ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-04-23 13:09                                                                                                                                                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-22  0:57                                                                                                                                                               ` João Távora
2023-04-22 11:38                                                                                                                                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-22 12:12                                                                                                                                                                   ` João Távora
2023-04-22  8:26                                                                                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-22 10:48                                                                                                                                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-22 11:20                                                                                                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-14 13:40                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-14 16:04                                                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-14 17:43                                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-14 17:47                                                                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-14 17:59                                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-22 23:37                                                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-23 13:02                                                                                       ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-04-23 20:56                                                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-25 12:24                                                                                           ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-05-01  2:00                                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-04-13 16:59                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-04-13 15:14                                                                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-04-13 15:59                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-13 16:13                                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-13 19:14                                                                         ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-04-14 10:56                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-14 16:40                                                                             ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-04-15  8:37                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-15 10:41                                                                                 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-04-15 10:56                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-15 11:37                                                                                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-04-15 11:43                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-15 13:21                                                                                         ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-04-15 13:51                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-15 17:14                                                                                             ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-04-15 17:37                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-15 18:19                                                                                                 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-04-15 18:37                                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-16 13:45                                                                                                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-04-16 15:12                                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-16 10:44                                                                                                   ` João Távora
2023-04-16 14:23                                                                                                     ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2023-04-12 20:10                                                       ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-04-13  5:49                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-12 15:49                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-12 15:59                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-12 16:29                                               ` João Távora
2023-04-12 20:50                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-12 15:45                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-11 18:54                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-11 20:28                         ` João Távora
2023-04-12  5:51                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-12  9:18                             ` João Távora
2023-04-12  9:53                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-12 12:37                                 ` João Távora
2023-04-12 13:20                                 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-04-12 16:54                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-11 19:44                 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-04-11 20:05                   ` João Távora
2023-04-11 21:36                     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-04-12  7:34                       ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-04-12  5:44                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-12  7:44                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-04-12  8:10                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-12 14:14                     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-04-11 21:14                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-12  9:34                   ` João Távora
2023-04-12 15:38                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-08  7:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-08  9:09   ` João Távora
2023-04-08 14:51     ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-04-08 15:23       ` João Távora
2023-04-08 15:31         ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-04-08 18:10           ` João Távora

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