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From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net>
To: Samuel Wales <samologist@gmail.com>
Cc: Bastien Guerry <bzg@gnu.org>, Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com>,
	emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [POLL] Should we accept breaking changes to get rid of Org libraries that perform side effects when loading?
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2023 10:34:15 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87zg2tq5eg.fsf@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJcAo8t12nhx+auuTFxu+DMJzjkXUsCr_8Ht+vTUr6=7R4i4nQ@mail.gmail.com>

Samuel Wales <samologist@gmail.com> writes:

> regexp components docstring in bugfix still say reload or restart.
> biut mayube that is obsolete.

`org-emphasis-regexp-components'? It is no longer a defcustom - you are
not supposed to change it.

> i found possible examples in appt and ediff bot those are not org.  so
> perhaps this is a case where the problem no longer exists?  8if so,
> then never mind that comment about guideline for not requiring setting
> before org where possible.
>
> perhaps these are unavoidable.

> bugfix .el
> g set *.el|g before|g load
> org-fold-core.el:Important: This variable must be set before loading Org."

It is `org-fold-core-style' - must be set before opening file because it
switches between two implementations of folding.
You usually don't need to touch it.

> org-keys.el:Needs to be set before Org is loaded.

`org-mouse-1-follows-link' simply triggers adding/not adding one binding
to `org-mouse-map'. Actually, `org-tab-follows-link' is the same.

These variables are mostly used to avoid forcing users put

(org-defkey org-mouse-map [follow-link] 'mouse-face)
or (org-defkey org-mouse-map (kbd "TAB") #'org-open-at-point)
into their config.

We may alternatively use custom :set function for these variables. That
will not require a restart.

> org-list.el:This variable needs to be set before org.el is loaded.  If you
> org-list.el:This variable needs to be set before org.el is loaded.  If you

`org-plain-list-ordered-item-terminator' and `org-list-allow-alphabetical'
configure Org parser. We should probably remove these variables
eventually. To standardize Org syntax.

> org-persist.el:This variable must be set before loading org-persist library.")

`org-persist--disable-when-emacs-Q' is an internal variable used for debugging.

> org.el:This variable needs to be set before org.el is loaded.  If you

This is `org-export-backends' that literally controls Org loading.
Technically, you don't need to re-load Org here if you set it via
customize interface.

> org.el:This variable needs to be set before org.el is loaded, and you need to

`org-enforce-todo-checkbox-dependencies'. Again, no need to reload Org
if you use customize interface. In both this and previous cases,
docstring explains about customize.

-- 
Ihor Radchenko // yantar92,
Org mode contributor,
Learn more about Org mode at <https://orgmode.org/>.
Support Org development at <https://liberapay.com/org-mode>,
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  reply	other threads:[~2023-08-14 10:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 112+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-03-21  3:36 org-ctags land grab Nick Dokos
2023-03-21 16:40 ` Rudolf Adamkovič
2023-03-22 12:03 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-03-23  5:14   ` Nick Dokos
2023-03-23 10:49     ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-03-23 14:50       ` Max Nikulin
2023-03-25 17:45         ` [POLL] Should we accept breaking changes to get rid of Org libraries that perform side effects when loading? (was: org-ctags land grab) Ihor Radchenko
2023-03-27 15:14           ` [POLL] Should we accept breaking changes to get rid of Org libraries that perform side effects when loading? Max Nikulin
2023-03-28 10:02             ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-03-27 16:10           ` [POLL] Should we accept breaking changes to get rid of Org libraries that perform side effects when loading? (was: org-ctags land grab) Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2023-03-28  9:55             ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-08  4:19           ` [POLL] Should we accept breaking changes to get rid of Org libraries that perform side effects when loading? Bastien Guerry
2023-08-08  8:48             ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-08 13:29               ` Bastien Guerry
2023-08-09  7:48                 ` Max Nikulin
2023-08-10 19:50                   ` Nick Dokos
2023-08-11  7:36                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-11  9:44                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-12 12:46                   ` Bastien Guerry
2023-08-12 22:18                     ` Samuel Wales
2023-08-13  8:59                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-14  0:57                         ` Samuel Wales
2023-08-14 10:34                           ` Ihor Radchenko [this message]
2023-08-14 13:19                       ` Fraga, Eric
2023-08-22 15:15                         ` Bastien Guerry
2023-08-23  9:33                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-24 11:39                             ` Bastien Guerry
2023-08-24 11:44                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-24 12:08                                 ` Bastien Guerry
2023-08-24 12:15                                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-24 12:36                                     ` Bastien Guerry
2023-08-24 12:40                                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-24 12:48                                         ` Bastien Guerry
2023-08-24 12:56                                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-24 13:01                                             ` Russell Adams
2023-08-24 13:33                                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-24 13:41                                                 ` Russell Adams
2023-08-24 13:47                                                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-24 13:02                                             ` Bastien Guerry
2023-08-24 13:36                                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-24 13:43                                                 ` Russell Adams
2023-08-25  9:16                                                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-24 14:08                                                 ` Bastien Guerry
2023-08-25  2:59                                                   ` spookygostee
2023-08-25  9:53                                                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-25  9:44                                                   ` [DISCUSSION] Re-design of inlinetasks (was: [POLL] Should we accept breaking changes to get rid of Org libraries that perform side effects when loading?) Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-25 17:58                                                     ` [DISCUSSION] Re-design of inlinetasks Juan Manuel Macías
2023-08-26 10:58                                                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-26 11:42                                                         ` Juan Manuel Macías
2023-08-26 12:33                                                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-26 14:21                                                             ` Juan Manuel Macías
2023-08-26 16:33                                                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-26 17:31                                                                 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2023-08-26 17:43                                                                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-26 19:19                                                                     ` Juan Manuel Macías
2023-08-27  9:21                                                                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-27 17:25                                                                         ` Juan Manuel Macías
2023-08-31  9:15                                                                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-26 18:01                                                                   ` Russell Adams
2023-08-29 13:00                                                                     ` Russell Adams
2023-08-30 11:49                                                                       ` Alain.Cochard
2023-08-30 12:36                                                                         ` Russell Adams
2023-08-30 14:06                                                                           ` Alain.Cochard
2023-08-30 14:31                                                                             ` Russell Adams
2023-08-30 14:39                                                                               ` Alain.Cochard
2023-08-30 15:08                                                                                 ` Russell Adams
2023-08-30 15:13                                                                                   ` Russell Adams
2023-08-30 18:32                                                                                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-24 12:53                                         ` [POLL] Should we accept breaking changes to get rid of Org libraries that perform side effects when loading? Russell Adams
2023-08-24 13:04                                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-24 13:11                                             ` Russell Adams
2023-08-24 13:41                                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-24 13:49                                                 ` Russell Adams
2023-08-25  9:18                                                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-24 14:20                                                 ` Russell Adams
2023-08-24 13:23                                       ` tomas
2023-08-24 13:29                                         ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-24 13:36                                           ` Russell Adams
2023-08-24 13:44                                             ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-24 14:00                                               ` Russell Adams
2023-08-25  2:48                                                 ` spookygostee
2023-08-25  9:52                                                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-24 13:50                                           ` tomas
2023-08-25  9:49                                             ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-24 12:11                                 ` Russell Adams
2023-08-24 12:21                                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-24 14:43                                     ` Max Nikulin
2023-08-24 23:07                                       ` Samuel Wales
2023-08-24 23:23                                         ` Samuel Wales
2023-08-24 23:24                                           ` Samuel Wales
2023-08-25  9:56                                             ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-25  9:56                                         ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-26  8:59                             ` Fraga, Eric
2023-08-26 12:30                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-27 13:16                                 ` Fraga, Eric
2023-08-22 15:40                         ` Russell Adams
2023-08-13  8:53                     ` [DISCUSSION] The future of org-mouse.el and org-inlinetask.el (was: [POLL] Should we accept breaking changes to get rid of Org libraries that perform side effects when loading?) Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-13  9:33                       ` [DISCUSSION] The future of org-mouse.el and org-inlinetask.el Bastien Guerry
2023-08-13 10:29                         ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-14  7:48                     ` [POLL] Should we accept breaking changes to get rid of Org libraries that perform side effects when loading? Tom Gillespie
2023-08-15 14:10                     ` Timothy
2023-08-15 14:38                       ` Russell Adams
2023-08-15 15:21                         ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-15 18:58                           ` Tom Gillespie
2023-08-16 10:24                             ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-09 22:30               ` Or probably just fix the org-ctags hook functions? (was: Should we accept breaking changes ...) Jens Schmidt
2023-08-10 19:56                 ` Or probably just fix the org-ctags hook functions? Nick Dokos
2023-08-11  7:37                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-11 17:01                     ` Nick Dokos
2023-08-11 21:40                       ` Jens Schmidt
2023-08-11 21:48                         ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-11 22:43                           ` Jens Schmidt

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