From: ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic Courtès)
To: Danny Milosavljevic <dannym@scratchpost.org>
Cc: 30991@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: [bug#30991] [PATCH v2 3/3] services: Add ModemManager to '%desktop-services'.
Date: Tue, 08 May 2018 15:35:44 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87sh722rtb.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180508090407.3bca7c9f@scratchpost.org> (Danny Milosavljevic's message of "Tue, 8 May 2018 09:04:07 +0200")
Hi Danny,
Danny Milosavljevic <dannym@scratchpost.org> skribis:
> On Sun, 06 May 2018 23:00:54 +0200
> ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic Courtès) wrote:
>
>> >> I would not add it to ‘%desktop-services’ because I’d think it’s not a
>> >> very common requirement, but I don’t know. WDYT?
>> >
>> > Do we need internet in order to install GuixSD?
>> >
>> > Then modem-manager should at least be available in the installation image.
>>
>> I think this is orthogonal to the question of adding it to
>> ‘%desktop-services’ since the installation image doesn’t rely on
>> ‘%desktop-services’.
>
> True. I agree.
So do you still want to add ‘modem-manager’ to ‘%desktop-services’? :-)
>> Nevertheless, this will all be a matter of size, usability, and
>> documentation. If it adds “too much” to the size of the installation
>> image, I’d be rather against it.
>
> Well, some way of getting to the internet eventually needs to be available
> somewhere.
>
> (it's fine if it's only in the installed system, so I guess compilation
> of everything is fine).
>
> In Austria the cellphone internet is very cheap - so almost everyone has it
> (and many have only that). That said, USB or Wifi tethering is common, too.
>
> I'm just trying to reduce the number of things I have to charge on the road :)
:-)
I would expect people installing an OS to have Ethernet or WiFi. One
gets WiFi even on the train nowadays. ;-)
In terms of size it doesn’t look good:
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
$ guix size $(guix system build ~/src/guix/gnu/system/install.scm ) | tail -1
total: 1116.4 MiB
$ guix size $(guix system build ~/src/guix/gnu/system/install.scm ) modem-manager | tail -1
total: 1346.0 MiB
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
WDYT?
(I actually fail to see how we end up with 1G in the first place…)
> GNU Linux distributions nowadays have trouble providing any kind of simple
> dialup installation - so it's more difficult to install GNU Linux here.
> I think that's ridiculous since the AT commands and PPP required to have
> some kind of internet didn't change sice circa 1985 - and it's small, too.
>
> (I didn't know ModemManager before I packaged it here - but it does
> some extra stuff like provide network card simulator integration for the
> extremely fast LTE modems)
>
> I still have not-so-fond memories of manually downloading a random wvdial
> binary and its dependencies in order to be able to install Gentoo. A normal
> person (TM) would just give up ;)
Heheh.
Thanks,
Ludo’.
prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-05-08 13:36 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-03-29 18:28 [bug#30991] [PATCH 0/2] Add ModemManager service Danny Milosavljevic
2018-03-29 18:33 ` [bug#30991] [PATCH 1/2] services: Add modem-manager-service-type Danny Milosavljevic
2018-03-29 18:33 ` [bug#30991] [PATCH 2/2] services: Add ModemManager to '%desktop-services' Danny Milosavljevic
2018-03-29 19:15 ` [bug#30991] [PATCH 0/2] Add ModemManager service Danny Milosavljevic
2018-03-29 22:21 ` [bug#30991] [PATCH v2 0/3] " Danny Milosavljevic
2018-03-29 22:21 ` [bug#30991] [PATCH v2 1/3] services: Move static-networking to (gnu services base) Danny Milosavljevic
2018-03-31 16:13 ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-04-01 8:16 ` Danny Milosavljevic
2018-04-01 9:38 ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-03-29 22:21 ` [bug#30991] [PATCH v2 2/3] services: Add modem-manager-service-type Danny Milosavljevic
2018-03-31 16:14 ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-09-04 13:22 ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-09-04 19:41 ` Danny Milosavljevic
2018-09-04 20:53 ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-09-04 21:16 ` Danny Milosavljevic
2018-03-31 18:39 ` Björn Höfling
2018-03-29 22:21 ` [bug#30991] [PATCH v2 3/3] services: Add ModemManager to '%desktop-services' Danny Milosavljevic
2018-03-31 16:08 ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-05-01 9:58 ` Danny Milosavljevic
2018-05-06 21:00 ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-05-08 7:04 ` Danny Milosavljevic
2018-05-08 13:35 ` Ludovic Courtès [this message]
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