From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:57250) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fG2mk-0003Ym-CJ for guix-patches@gnu.org; Tue, 08 May 2018 09:36:12 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fG2mg-00033K-1V for guix-patches@gnu.org; Tue, 08 May 2018 09:36:06 -0400 Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:45709) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fG2mf-00033E-To for guix-patches@gnu.org; Tue, 08 May 2018 09:36:01 -0400 Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fG2mf-0005CB-NM for guix-patches@gnu.org; Tue, 08 May 2018 09:36:01 -0400 Subject: [bug#30991] [PATCH v2 3/3] services: Add ModemManager to '%desktop-services'. Resent-Message-ID: From: ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic =?UTF-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?=) References: <20180329222140.21590-1-dannym@scratchpost.org> <20180329222140.21590-4-dannym@scratchpost.org> <878ta8kz24.fsf@gnu.org> <20180501115824.2955c218@scratchpost.org> <874ljkmrcp.fsf@gnu.org> <20180508090407.3bca7c9f@scratchpost.org> Date: Tue, 08 May 2018 15:35:44 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20180508090407.3bca7c9f@scratchpost.org> (Danny Milosavljevic's message of "Tue, 8 May 2018 09:04:07 +0200") Message-ID: <87sh722rtb.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-patches-bounces+kyle=kyleam.com@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-patches" To: Danny Milosavljevic Cc: 30991@debbugs.gnu.org Hi Danny, Danny Milosavljevic skribis: > On Sun, 06 May 2018 23:00:54 +0200 > ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic Court=C3=A8s) wrote: > >> >> I would not add it to =E2=80=98%desktop-services=E2=80=99 because I= =E2=80=99d think it=E2=80=99s not a >> >> very common requirement, but I don=E2=80=99t know. WDYT?=20=20 >> > >> > Do we need internet in order to install GuixSD? >> > >> > Then modem-manager should at least be available in the installation im= age.=20=20 >>=20 >> I think this is orthogonal to the question of adding it to >> =E2=80=98%desktop-services=E2=80=99 since the installation image doesn= =E2=80=99t rely on >> =E2=80=98%desktop-services=E2=80=99. > > True. I agree. So do you still want to add =E2=80=98modem-manager=E2=80=99 to =E2=80=98%de= sktop-services=E2=80=99? :-) >> Nevertheless, this will all be a matter of size, usability, and >> documentation. If it adds =E2=80=9Ctoo much=E2=80=9D to the size of the= installation >> image, I=E2=80=99d be rather against it. > > Well, some way of getting to the internet eventually needs to be available > somewhere. > > (it's fine if it's only in the installed system, so I guess compilation > of everything is fine). > > In Austria the cellphone internet is very cheap - so almost everyone has = it > (and many have only that). That said, USB or Wifi tethering is common, t= oo. > > I'm just trying to reduce the number of things I have to charge on the ro= ad :) :-) I would expect people installing an OS to have Ethernet or WiFi. One gets WiFi even on the train nowadays. ;-) In terms of size it doesn=E2=80=99t look good: --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- $ guix size $(guix system build ~/src/guix/gnu/system/install.scm ) | tail = -1 total: 1116.4 MiB $ guix size $(guix system build ~/src/guix/gnu/system/install.scm ) modem-m= anager | tail -1 total: 1346.0 MiB --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- WDYT? (I actually fail to see how we end up with 1G in the first place=E2=80=A6) > GNU Linux distributions nowadays have trouble providing any kind of simple > dialup installation - so it's more difficult to install GNU Linux here. > I think that's ridiculous since the AT commands and PPP required to have > some kind of internet didn't change sice circa 1985 - and it's small, too. > > (I didn't know ModemManager before I packaged it here - but it does > some extra stuff like provide network card simulator integration for the > extremely fast LTE modems) > > I still have not-so-fond memories of manually downloading a random wvdial > binary and its dependencies in order to be able to install Gentoo. A nor= mal > person (TM) would just give up ;) Heheh. Thanks, Ludo=E2=80=99.