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From: Mark H Weaver <mhw@netris.org>
To: Hartmut Goebel <h.goebel@crazy-compilers.com>
Cc: help-guix@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Installation: Load non-free wifi firmware (iwlwifi)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 18:05:43 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87o9j9yy14.fsf@netris.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4a584d0b-a2c4-8a0a-90c0-64aa051392e1@crazy-compilers.com> (Hartmut Goebel's message of "Sun, 25 Mar 2018 12:21:40 +0200")

Hartmut Goebel <h.goebel@crazy-compilers.com> writes:

> Am 25.03.2018 um 07:34 schrieb Chris Marusich:
>> As Ludo mentioned elsewhere, using a dongle is one good option.  What
>> prevents you from using a dongle?
>
> Why should I punish myself just for to says "Hey, I'm using only free
> software"? This benefits nobody! [1]
>
> Please don't get me wrong: free software is to be preferred and we
> should push users and vendors towards it. But if for any reason one owns
> a device demanding non-free firmware, using e.g. a dongle would not
> benefit anybody.[1] The vendor already has the money. In contrary:
> buying a dongle adds to environmental pollution and sweating in poor
> countries.
>
> The only thing we achieve is distracting users from free software since
> it "doe not work".

I disagree.  We achieve something indispensible.  We make it far more
likely that the next time users purchase hardware, they will avoid
hardware that would require their operating system to include nonfree
software.  This creates incentives for the manufacturers to create
freedom-respecting hardware.

The alternative approach of including nonfree software in our OS, in
order to make non-freedom-respecting hardware "just work", makes this
problem invisible to most people, and thus creates no incentive for
users or manufacturers to change their behaviors at all.

This is not a small problem.  It's becoming increasingly difficult to
find any modern computer that can be operated without many megabytes of
nonfree software, in an age of ubiquitous surveillance that threatens
our democracies.  Please, we must not sweep this problem under the rug.

      Mark

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-03-27 22:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-03-02 17:25 Installation: Load non-free wifi firmware (iwlwifi) Pierre Neidhardt
2018-03-02 17:41 ` Pierre Neidhardt
2018-03-02 20:13   ` Carlo Zancanaro
2018-03-02 18:04 ` Adonay Felipe Nogueira
2018-03-05 12:32 ` Adonay Felipe Nogueira
2018-03-05 14:00 ` Clément Lassieur
2018-03-23 13:29   ` Pierre Neidhardt
2018-03-25  5:34 ` Chris Marusich
2018-03-25  6:14   ` Pierre Neidhardt
2018-03-25 10:21   ` Hartmut Goebel
2018-03-27  9:45     ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-03-27 22:05     ` Mark H Weaver [this message]
2018-04-13 11:55       ` Hartmut Goebel
2018-03-25 10:57   ` Marius Bakke
2018-03-29  5:11     ` Chris Marusich
2018-05-01 19:30   ` Librem (was: Installation: Load non-free wifi firmware (iwlwifi)) Pierre Neidhardt
2018-05-02 18:07     ` Librem Joshua Branson
2018-05-03  6:47       ` Librem Chris Marusich
2018-05-03  7:44         ` Librem Pierre Neidhardt
2018-05-09  6:07           ` Librem Chris Marusich
2018-05-09 16:58             ` Librem Nils Gillmann
2018-05-04 20:56         ` Librem Joshua Branson
2018-05-04 15:15     ` Librem (was: Installation: Load non-free wifi firmware (iwlwifi)) Christopher Lemmer Webber
2018-05-04 15:17       ` Pierre Neidhardt
2018-05-04 16:32       ` Librem Mike Gerwitz
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2022-05-11 12:19 Installation: Load non-free wifi firmware (iwlwifi) 白い熊
2022-05-11 12:31 ` yasu
2022-05-12  7:37   ` 白い熊@相撲道
2022-05-12 16:00     ` zimoun
2022-05-12 20:19       ` David Lecompte
2022-05-12 23:53         ` Yasuaki Kudo
2022-05-13 11:59       ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
2022-05-13  1:33     ` Maxim Cournoyer

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