using Shepherd outside of GuixSD ?

using Shepherd outside of GuixSD ?

[Benjamin Slade]

Does anyone have any experience using Shepherd as the init for a distro
other than GuixSD ? This could be useful, say on a bare bones foreign
distro where Guix was installed, in order to have more of the Guix
ecosystem available even outside of GuixSD itself.

Concretely speaking, I was thinking of trying to use Shepherd on a Void
Linux install in place of the default runit init.

Thoughts? Suggestions?

 —Ben

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Re: using Shepherd outside of GuixSD ?

[Ludovic Courtès]

Hello,

Benjamin Slade <beoram@gmail.com> skribis:

> Does anyone have any experience using Shepherd as the init for a distro
> other than GuixSD ? This could be useful, say on a bare bones foreign
> distro where Guix was installed, in order to have more of the Guix
> ecosystem available even outside of GuixSD itself.
>
> Concretely speaking, I was thinking of trying to use Shepherd on a Void
> Linux install in place of the default runit init.

I don’t know if anyone tried.  That’s certainly doable, though probably
not as convenient as on GuixSD, notably because GuixSD performs static
checks on the service dependency graph to prevent certain kind of errors
from occurring at run time (e.g., reference to a non-existent service),
and also because GuixSD provides additional tools that are handy when
testing services (e.g., ‘guix system shepherd-graph’, ‘guix system vm’.)

Anyway if you give it a try, let us know how it goes!

Ludo’.

Re: using Shepherd outside of GuixSD ?

[Benjamin Slade]

On 2018-10-17T06:24:18-0600, Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org> wrote:

 > I don’t know if anyone tried.  That’s certainly doable, though
 > probably not as convenient as on GuixSD, notably because GuixSD
 > performs static checks on the service dependency graph to prevent
 > certain kind of errors from occurring at run time (e.g., reference to
 > a non-existent service), and also because GuixSD provides additional
 > tools that are handy when testing services (e.g., ‘guix system
 > shepherd-graph’, ‘guix system vm’.)

 > Anyway if you give it a try, let us know how it goes!

Thanks, Ludo'.  So the 'guix system' tools are only available on GuixSD
proper, and not via the guix standalone?

I'll certain report back with when/if I manage to try it about
successes/failures.

 —Ben

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Re: using Shepherd outside of GuixSD ?

[Chris Marusich]

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Benjamin Slade <beoram@gmail.com> writes:

> [...] So the 'guix system' tools are only available on GuixSD
> proper, and not via the guix standalone?

The "guix system" tools are available via Guix standalone.  It's just
that some of the commands might not behave as expected.  For example,
you probably don't want to run "guix system reconfigure" from a
standalone Guix installation, since it might mess up your distro.
Please be careful!

Tools like "guix system vm" and "guix system build" will certainly work.

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Chris

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Re: using Shepherd outside of GuixSD ?

[Ludovic Courtès]

Chris Marusich <cmmarusich@gmail.com> skribis:

> Benjamin Slade <beoram@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> [...] So the 'guix system' tools are only available on GuixSD
>> proper, and not via the guix standalone?
>
> The "guix system" tools are available via Guix standalone.  It's just
> that some of the commands might not behave as expected.  For example,
> you probably don't want to run "guix system reconfigure" from a
> standalone Guix installation, since it might mess up your distro.
> Please be careful!
>
> Tools like "guix system vm" and "guix system build" will certainly work.

In fact ‘guix system reconfigure’ is the only one that cannot work on a
foreign distro.

Ludo’.