From: Alexander Asteroth <alexander.asteroth@h-brs.de>
To: Tobias Geerinckx-Rice <me@tobias.gr>
Cc: help-guix@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Best base system for Guix
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2021 13:16:01 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87lf1uyjjy.fsf@condor.l7> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <631347d448e7d3c9310e1c3902a6264a@tobias.gr>
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Dear Tobias,
thank you for your fast and comprehensive answer.
On arch I never had any problem; it was on debian 11 that the packages
were outdated. However I did a guix pull and now icecat is recent.
Curious if I forgot to do so the last time I tried to install icecat 91
I looked at my bash history. And that's what I found:
> 1157 guix pull
> 1158 echo $PATH
> 1159 source .bashrc
> 1160 [...]
> 1161 echo $PATH
> 1162 [...]
> 1163 guix
> 1164 guix --help
> 1165 guix pull
> 1166 guix install icecat
> 1167 guix search icecat
It looks as if guix first was not found but then it was found an I
definitively did a pull before trying to install icecat 91. But it was
only the older version that was found by guix. That was why I did the
search command later on.
Strange! Anyway, now it works.
Cheers,
Alex
On Do, Nov 11 2021, 12:45:58, Tobias Geerinckx-Rice wrote:
> Alexander,
>
> I don't have personal experience but think it likely that
> Trisquel/Debian is used by more contributors than Arch, which means
> that integration bugs are more likely to be noticed and fixed. The
> difference shouldn't be significant, and we're always open to bug
> reports from Guix on other GNU/Linux distributions. Most contributors
> run Guix System.
>
> However:
>
> On 2021-11-11 11:59, Alexander Asteroth wrote:
>> I've tried
>> arch and debian 11 and noticed that the packages available in Guix
>> under
>> arch are way more recent (e.g icecat 91 vs 6x) and more in general.
>
> Something's wrong. Guix provides a single rolling release across all
> Guix Systems and foreign distributions.
>
> The 'guix' packages for foreign distributions install an older
> snapshot of Guix which sets up the daemon and puts a 'guix' command in
> the global $PATH.
>
> Users are expected to run 'guix pull' (similar to 'pacman -S' but per
> user--never sudo!) to update it. This will update both guix itself
> and the list of availabe packages.
>
>> Also I'm asking myself how Guix deals with different
>> systems/kernels/base installations and how it decides which packages
>> will work?
>
> It doesn't. Either your Arch system isn't properly configured so that
> 'command -v guix' returns ~/.config/guix/current/bin/guix, or you
> haven't run 'guix pull' to create or update that copy of guix.
>
> If you have run 'guix pull' and still see outdated packages, let us
> know. There's something wrong with the system then.
>
>> Isn't there any dependence? Is this documented somewhere?
>
> Once installed, Guix expects little more from the host system than a
> reasonably modern Linux kernel (supporting certain namespaces,
> syscalls & the like) and minimal configuration like a running Guix
> daemon, the guixbuild* users, mounted /dev, etc. I don't think these
> are formally documented in a single place.
>
> If available, the 'guix' package on a foreign distribution will set
> that up for you: it can depend on foreign packages, set up
> users/groups, support uninstallation, etc., in a cleaner way than the
> guix-install.sh shell script can.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> T G-R
>
> Sent from a Web browser. Excuse or enjoy my brevity.
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-11-11 12:20 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-11-11 10:59 Best base system for Guix Alexander Asteroth
2021-11-11 11:45 ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
2021-11-11 12:16 ` Alexander Asteroth [this message]
2021-11-11 12:47 ` André A. Gomes
2021-11-11 17:48 ` Alexander Asteroth
2021-11-11 20:58 ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2021-11-12 15:16 ` Alexander Asteroth
2021-11-12 16:48 ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2021-11-12 18:21 ` Alexander Asteroth
2021-11-13 7:10 ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2021-11-15 16:19 ` zimoun
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