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From: "Ludovic Courtès" <ludo@gnu.org>
To: Timothy Sample <samplet@ngyro.com>
Cc: 54394@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: [bug#54394] [PATCH core-updates 00/12] Remove old GNU utilities from early bootstrap
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2022 18:25:01 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87bky5dd3m.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87v8wg40dl.fsf@ngyro.com> (Timothy Sample's message of "Mon, 14 Mar 2022 16:47:50 -0600")

Hello!

Timothy Sample <samplet@ngyro.com> skribis:

> This is culmination of a lot of work, so I’m excited to be submitting
> it!  The main thrust of this series is to update Gash and Gash-Utils,
> and then remove most of the old GNU utilities we use during early
> bootstrap.  To elaborate, the current situation is that we climb a
> ladder through time: first we build Bash 2, then we build Bash 4, and
> finally we build Bash 5.  This is true for most GNU utilities: Sed,
> Gawk, Coreutils, etc.  The reason?  Until now, our Scheme
> implementations of those utilities (Gash and Gash-Utils) were very
> limited.  Bash 2 used to be a lot more useful then Gash, for example.
> Now, with recent releases of Gash and Gash-Utils, the Scheme utilities
> are, in general, capable of powering the builds of modern GNU software.

Woohoo!  Shortening the ladder, and doing it “the nice way”, is a much
welcome improvement.

> To be clear, we still climb the time-ladder in a few cases.  The main
> ones are GCC, Glibc, and Binutils.  For example, we have to use GCC 2 to
> transition from TCC To GCC 4 (which is the last non-C++ GCC [1]).
> Fixing this would require quite a bit of TCC hacking, I imagine.  There
> are others, though.  We still use old versions of Gzip, Make, patch, and
> Gawk.  The fact that Gawk is still there disappoints me quite a bit, but
> ‘glibc-mesboot’ fails in a way that I just can’t figure out when
> building with Gash-Utils.  Gzip is not strictly necessary, but also
> pretty easy to replace.  I’m not sure, but I think patch is only there
> to avoid using patches in ‘origin’ records during bootstrap.  We now
> have a way to do that, so it may no longer be necessary.  Make will
> likely need to be rewritten in Scheme, but we have a head start: Potato
> Make [2].
>
> [1] https://bootstrappable.org/projects.html
> [2] https://github.com/spk121/potato-make

Yes, the C compiler situation is tricky; Make looks like a fun target.

[...]

> The next three are updates.  The bootar update optimistically assumes
> that someone with access will upload the source file to the Guix mirror
> URL: “mirror://gnu/guix/...” as was done with previous versions.

Sure.

>  5 files changed, 192 insertions(+), 788 deletions(-)

Yay!

Ludo’.




  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-03-16 17:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-03-14 22:47 [bug#54394] [PATCH core-updates 00/12] Remove old GNU utilities from early bootstrap Timothy Sample
2022-03-14 22:57 ` [bug#54394] [PATCH core-updates 01/12] gnu: hello-mesboot: Downgrade to 2.10 Timothy Sample
2022-03-16 17:25   ` [bug#54394] [PATCH core-updates 00/12] Remove old GNU utilities from early bootstrap Ludovic Courtès
2022-03-14 22:57 ` [bug#54394] [PATCH core-updates 02/12] gnu-bootstrap: Configure PACKAGE_NAME Timothy Sample
2022-03-14 22:57 ` [bug#54394] [PATCH core-updates 03/12] gnu-bootstrap: Allow multiple module directories Timothy Sample
2022-03-14 22:57 ` [bug#54394] [PATCH core-updates 04/12] gnu: gash-utils: Update to 0.2.0 Timothy Sample
2022-03-14 22:57 ` [bug#54394] [PATCH core-updates 05/12] gnu: bootar: Update to 1b Timothy Sample
2022-03-14 22:57 ` [bug#54394] [PATCH core-updates 06/12] gnu: gash: Update to 0.3.0 Timothy Sample
2022-03-14 22:57 ` [bug#54394] [PATCH core-updates 07/12] gnu: gash-utils-boot: Create 'echo' wrapper Timothy Sample
2022-03-14 22:57 ` [bug#54394] [PATCH core-updates 08/12] gnu: bzip2-mesboot: Remove package Timothy Sample
2022-03-14 22:57 ` [bug#54394] [PATCH core-updates 09/12] gnu: sed-mesboot0: " Timothy Sample
2022-03-14 22:57 ` [bug#54394] [PATCH core-updates 10/12] gnu: binutils-mesboot0: Update to 2.20.1a Timothy Sample
2022-03-14 22:57 ` [bug#54394] [PATCH core-updates 11/12] gnu: %boot-tcc-inputs: Remove extra "gash-utils" Timothy Sample
2022-03-14 22:57 ` [bug#54394] [PATCH core-updates 12/12] gnu: commencement: Remove many old utilities Timothy Sample
2022-03-15 10:34   ` Maxime Devos
2022-03-15 19:35     ` Timothy Sample
2022-03-16 17:25 ` Ludovic Courtès [this message]
2022-03-16 17:32 ` [bug#54394] [PATCH core-updates 00/12] Remove old GNU utilities from early bootstrap Ludovic Courtès
2022-03-19 19:53   ` bug#54394: " Timothy Sample
2022-03-21 15:17     ` [bug#54394] " Ludovic Courtès
2022-03-20 11:38 ` Jan Nieuwenhuizen
2022-03-20 11:48 ` Jan Nieuwenhuizen

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