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Timothy Sample skribis: > This is culmination of a lot of work, so I=E2=80=99m excited to be submit= ting > it! The main thrust of this series is to update Gash and Gash-Utils, > and then remove most of the old GNU utilities we use during early > bootstrap. To elaborate, the current situation is that we climb a > ladder through time: first we build Bash 2, then we build Bash 4, and > finally we build Bash 5. This is true for most GNU utilities: Sed, > Gawk, Coreutils, etc. The reason? Until now, our Scheme > implementations of those utilities (Gash and Gash-Utils) were very > limited. Bash 2 used to be a lot more useful then Gash, for example. > Now, with recent releases of Gash and Gash-Utils, the Scheme utilities > are, in general, capable of powering the builds of modern GNU software. Woohoo! Shortening the ladder, and doing it =E2=80=9Cthe nice way=E2=80=9D= , is a much welcome improvement. > To be clear, we still climb the time-ladder in a few cases. The main > ones are GCC, Glibc, and Binutils. For example, we have to use GCC 2 to > transition from TCC To GCC 4 (which is the last non-C++ GCC [1]). > Fixing this would require quite a bit of TCC hacking, I imagine. There > are others, though. We still use old versions of Gzip, Make, patch, and > Gawk. The fact that Gawk is still there disappoints me quite a bit, but > =E2=80=98glibc-mesboot=E2=80=99 fails in a way that I just can=E2=80=99t = figure out when > building with Gash-Utils. Gzip is not strictly necessary, but also > pretty easy to replace. I=E2=80=99m not sure, but I think patch is only = there > to avoid using patches in =E2=80=98origin=E2=80=99 records during bootstr= ap. We now > have a way to do that, so it may no longer be necessary. Make will > likely need to be rewritten in Scheme, but we have a head start: Potato > Make [2]. > > [1] https://bootstrappable.org/projects.html > [2] https://github.com/spk121/potato-make Yes, the C compiler situation is tricky; Make looks like a fun target. [...] > The next three are updates. The bootar update optimistically assumes > that someone with access will upload the source file to the Guix mirror > URL: =E2=80=9Cmirror://gnu/guix/...=E2=80=9D as was done with previous ve= rsions. Sure. > 5 files changed, 192 insertions(+), 788 deletions(-) Yay! Ludo=E2=80=99.