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From: Vagrant Cascadian <vagrant@debian.org>
To: Attila Lendvai <attila@lendvai.name>,
	Ricardo Wurmus <rekado@elephly.net>
Cc: "Liliana Marie Prikler" <liliana.prikler@gmail.com>,
	"Felix Lechner" <felix.lechner@lease-up.com>,
	"Edouard Klein" <edou@rdklein.fr>,
	"Ludovic Courtès" <ludo@gnu.org>,
	"Josselin Poiret" <dev@jpoiret.xyz>,
	guix-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Introducing Guix "Features"! (Was: Syntactic Diabetes)
Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2024 12:21:52 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <874jeq8vmn.fsf@wireframe> (raw)
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On 2024-02-02, Attila Lendvai wrote:
>> > for an average unix user a service is a process that is running in the
>> > backgroud, doing stuff mostly without any user interaction. you can
>> > try to argue this away, but i'm afraid that this is the state of
>> > things.
>> 
>> 
>> I don’t think it’s a good idea to aim to satisfy some presumed “average
>> unix user”, because such a user would not be familiar with many concepts
>> introduced by Guix (e.g. “guix shell” or “guix system”).
>
>
> the primary argument was that two, very different abstractions share the same name, and in shared contexts.
>
> it's just icing on the cake that one of the abstractions is nothing like what most users understand by the name 'service'.

In the systemd realm, there are different types of services, I think one
is called "one-shot" which is effectively quite similar to the types of
services guix has... they do something once, and there is no running
daemon. So, for better or worse, guix is not so far from one of the most
widespread and commonly used systems here...

live well,
  vagrant

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  reply	other threads:[~2024-02-02 20:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-03-23  8:06 A friendlier API for operating-system declarations Edouard Klein
2023-03-23 18:48 ` Josselin Poiret
2023-03-23 20:23   ` Edouard Klein
2023-03-23 21:05 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2023-04-13  9:42 ` Ludovic Courtès
2023-05-18 14:37   ` Edouard Klein
2023-11-24 21:43 ` Syntactic Diabetes (was Re: A friendlier API for operating-system declarations) Edouard Klein
2023-11-24 22:50   ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2023-11-25 20:14     ` Attila Lendvai
2023-11-26  5:36       ` Michal Atlas
2023-11-26 16:49       ` Edouard Klein
2023-11-26 18:32         ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2023-11-26 20:46           ` Edouard Klein
2023-11-27 21:09             ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2023-11-29 20:12               ` Attila Lendvai
2023-11-29 23:39                 ` Felix Lechner via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution.
2023-11-30 11:16                   ` Attila Lendvai
2023-12-01 18:18                     ` Michal Atlas
2024-02-01 13:29                     ` Introducing Guix "Features"! (Was: Syntactic Diabetes) Felix Lechner via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution.
2024-02-01 19:43                       ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2024-02-01 20:30                         ` Attila Lendvai
2024-02-01 20:46                           ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2024-02-02 20:11                             ` Attila Lendvai
2024-02-01 21:02                           ` Ricardo Wurmus
2024-02-02 19:36                             ` Attila Lendvai
2024-02-02 20:21                               ` Vagrant Cascadian [this message]
2024-02-02 21:25                                 ` Attila Lendvai
2024-02-02  0:03                       ` Introducing Guix "Features"! Carlo Zancanaro
2024-02-18 15:07                       ` Introducing Guix "Features"! (Was: Syntactic Diabetes) Edouard Klein
2023-12-09 10:12         ` Syntactic Diabetes (was Re: A friendlier API for operating-system declarations) Ludovic Courtès

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