From: myglc2@gmail.com
To: "Ludovic Courtès" <ludo@gnu.org>
Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org, Ricardo Wurmus <ricardo.wurmus@mdc-berlin.de>
Subject: Re: [RFC] A simple draft for channels
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 11:03:09 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <86fu6wh8aq.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87d1263qzt.fsf@gnu.org> ("Ludovic \=\?utf-8\?Q\?Court\=C3\=A8s\=22'\?\= \=\?utf-8\?Q\?s\?\= message of "Fri, 19 Jan 2018 14:41:42 +0100")
On 01/19/2018 at 14:41 Ludovic Courtès writes:
> Hi!
>
> Ricardo Wurmus <ricardo.wurmus@mdc-berlin.de> skribis:
>
>> As a first implementation of channels I’d just like to have a channel
>> description file that records at least the following things:
>>
>> * the channel name (all lower case, no spaces)
>> * a URL from where package definitions can be loaded (initially, this
>> can be restricted to git repositories)
>>
>> Optional fields:
>>
>> * a description of the channel
>>
>> * a URL from where substitutes for the packages can be obtained (this
>> will be backed by “guix publish”)
>>
>> * a mail address or URL to contact the maintainers of the channel, or to
>> view the status of the channel
>>
>> * the Guix git commit that was used when this channel was last
>> updated. This is useful when Guix upstream breaks the ABI or moves
>> packages between modules.
>
> Sounds good.
>
>> On the Guix side we’d need to add the “guix channel” command, which
>> allows for adding, removing, updating, and downgrading channels. Adding
>> a channel means fetching the channel description from a URL and storing
>> state in ~/.config/guix/channels/, and fetching the git repo it
>> specifies (just like what guix pull does: it’s a git frontend).
>
> I think what you described above is “config” rather than “state.”
>
> To me, “state” would be the current channel commit being used and the
> list of previous commits that were used (akin to the Git reflog). That
> way, one could always roll back a “guix pull” or “guix channel update”
> operation.
>
> The reflog thing is a feature we can already add to ‘guix pull’. I
> think the migration to channels can be incremental.
>
>> It also authorizes the the substitute server’s public key.
>
> This would require root access.
>
>> Internally, it’s just like GUIX_PACKAGE_PATH in that the repos are used
>> to extend the modules that Guix uses. Unlike GUIX_PACKAGE_PATH,
>> however, we now have a way to record the complete state of Guix,
>> including any extensions: the version of Guix and all active channels
>> with their versions. We would also have a way to fetch substitutes from
>> channels without having to “globally” enable new substitute servers and
>> authorize their keys. (Is this safe? Can we have per-user extensions
>> to the set of public keys that are accepted?)
>
> Authorizing keys is necessarily limited to root since the store is
> shared among all users of the machine. I don’t see any way around that
> (other than switching to the other model presented in Eelco’s thesis,
> which is to content-address derivation outputs—but I don’t imagine us
> playing with that idea in the near future :-)).
>
>> Downsides: Guix has no stable ABI, so channels that are not up-to-date
>> will break with newer versions of Guix. Moving around packages to
>> different modules might break channels. That’s okay. It’s still an
>> improvement over plain GUIX_PACKAGE_PATH.
>>
>> I don’t think it has to be more complicated than that. What do you
>> think?
>
> I agree!
>
> One thing that’s still an open question is how we should treat Guix
> itself in that channelized world.
>
> Should Guix be a “normal” channel? It’s tempting to think of it as a
> regular channel; however, it’s definitely “special” in that it can
> update the ‘guix’ command, maybe guix-daemon & co., locale data, etc.
> How does that affect ‘guix channel’?
ISTM this design allows channels to inject non-free &/or non-safe
components into other user's Guix systems. Is that true?
If so, how will it impact the Guix promise of software freedom/safety?
WDYT? - George
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-01-23 16:03 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-01-19 8:24 [RFC] A simple draft for channels Ricardo Wurmus
2018-01-19 8:55 ` Jelle Licht
2018-01-19 11:30 ` Pjotr Prins
2018-01-19 13:41 ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-01-19 13:56 ` Pjotr Prins
2018-01-23 6:38 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2018-01-23 8:54 ` Pjotr Prins
2018-01-23 23:01 ` Carlo Zancanaro
2018-01-23 16:03 ` myglc2 [this message]
2018-01-23 16:50 ` ng0
2018-01-24 5:44 ` myglc2
2018-01-24 12:33 ` ng0
2018-01-24 15:04 ` Konrad Hinsen
2018-01-23 20:39 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2018-01-23 20:37 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2018-01-24 12:01 ` Pjotr Prins
2018-01-20 5:45 ` 宋文武
2018-01-24 14:08 ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-01-24 17:55 ` myglc2
2018-01-24 18:20 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2018-01-26 17:23 ` myglc2
2018-01-26 18:53 ` Oleg Pykhalov
2018-03-19 12:46 ` ng0
2018-01-27 12:10 ` Chris Marusich
2018-03-19 12:04 ` [Orchestration][RFC] " Pjotr Prins
2018-03-19 12:36 ` ng0
2018-03-19 18:21 ` myglc2
2018-03-19 18:31 ` Pjotr Prins
2018-03-19 20:18 ` myglc2
2018-03-19 20:29 ` Pjotr Prins
2018-03-20 7:02 ` Pjotr Prins
2018-03-20 10:41 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2018-03-20 13:10 ` Pjotr Prins
2018-03-20 13:41 ` Ricardo Wurmus
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