Re: FOSDEM 2018 Guile devroom

[Efraim Flashner <efraim@flashner.co.il>]

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On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 10:25:47PM +0200, Ludovic Courtès wrote:
> Ricardo Wurmus <rekado@elephly.net> skribis:
> 
> > “Free Java” is an interesting name for a devroom track.  I guess I could
> > talk about freedom problems with the Java culture of never building
> > software recursively from source, and introduce how we’re approaching
> > this problem in Guix.
> >
> > The Java bootstrap could also be demonstrated in that talk.

Also interesting to look into is how the bootstrapping effort works with
different architectures. i686 should bootstrap fine, but has problems.
Arm needs some loving to be updated from v3 or 4 to v7. Aarch64 didn't
exist back then and needs to be written into the source to have an
actual bootstrap.

> 
> Indeed, sounds like we have a lot to discuss with “the Java folks.”
> 
> > (Does anyone know how this is done in Debian?  Do they actually build
> > all of their Java packages from source?)
> 
> No idea, but we should definitely get in touch with the Java team.
> 

I haven't looked at Java specifically, but I assume they may have
bootstrapped it in the past, but they use their current versions to
build the next version, and so on. I do believe, however, that they do
build everything in main (and contrib) from source.

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