From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Efraim Flashner Subject: Re: FOSDEM 2018 Guile devroom Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2017 22:20:40 +0300 Message-ID: <20171025192040.GC10244@macbook41> References: <3b45845d-8c44-bb91-61e6-0ef216e214d5@gmail.com> <20171018.171524.1284693222862672372.post@thomasdanckaert.be> <874lqvoakm.fsf@gnu.org> <87efpz33te.fsf@elephly.net> <87infaj35g.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Izn7cH1Com+I3R9J" Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:57224) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1e7REM-0005Zv-1v for guix-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2017 15:20:46 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1e7REI-0006xd-T6 for guix-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2017 15:20:46 -0400 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87infaj35g.fsf@gnu.org> List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" To: Ludovic =?utf-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?= Cc: Thomas Danckaert , pjotr2016@thebird.nl, guix-devel@gnu.org, alex.sassmannshausen@gmail.com --Izn7cH1Com+I3R9J Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 10:25:47PM +0200, Ludovic Court=C3=A8s wrote: > Ricardo Wurmus skribis: >=20 > > =E2=80=9CFree Java=E2=80=9D is an interesting name for a devroom track.= I guess I could > > talk about freedom problems with the Java culture of never building > > software recursively from source, and introduce how we=E2=80=99re appro= aching > > this problem in Guix. > > > > The Java bootstrap could also be demonstrated in that talk. Also interesting to look into is how the bootstrapping effort works with different architectures. i686 should bootstrap fine, but has problems. Arm needs some loving to be updated from v3 or 4 to v7. Aarch64 didn't exist back then and needs to be written into the source to have an actual bootstrap. >=20 > Indeed, sounds like we have a lot to discuss with =E2=80=9Cthe Java folks= =2E=E2=80=9D >=20 > > (Does anyone know how this is done in Debian? Do they actually build > > all of their Java packages from source?) >=20 > No idea, but we should definitely get in touch with the Java team. >=20 I haven't looked at Java specifically, but I assume they may have bootstrapped it in the past, but they use their current versions to build the next version, and so on. I do believe, however, that they do build everything in main (and contrib) from source. --=20 Efraim Flashner =D7=90=D7=A4=D7=A8=D7=99=D7=9D = =D7=A4=D7=9C=D7=A9=D7=A0=D7=A8 GPG key =3D A28B F40C 3E55 1372 662D 14F7 41AA E7DC CA3D 8351 Confidentiality cannot be guaranteed on emails sent or received unencrypted --Izn7cH1Com+I3R9J Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCgAdFiEEoov0DD5VE3JmLRT3Qarn3Mo9g1EFAlnw5AUACgkQQarn3Mo9 g1E3bhAAqivsgOFrOSMCBR6oHVSpItVUjEJ4u1GASYunjbF9Ma/dtShZ8So2UT2F 85vjs3svtCoxvjIipqDVz12IgHaSvYj6ELhwRgwRHb/d3d3TVU4krG2Oj+a485ct +kDpDq4rpLEqoMXZQFy6BhHuopnWTNuLOIGnPb8LO+e1UU96GSGjnxZzqI8idZa1 JXBwZr8+b8MAV4JgP2b3348HgjA9xz1JexROWAkq6U9TJFLvOQII/YX/TCfrPml6 E7AofNmut4QV6zs9P9JXnQUCLpRo6itSYZIz4dXXm7C7t5OUKqS8IFO1DKVDP/tp 9bO8AlpucUoDSYchiohnznWcxXsMm6LIFrq2gyiz55KpVFtGQUz+tWePic5g66jz YvcfehUnfIIXZGMIom+LMRv76UxPvgK1vhelPGuj3apZ5Az6/+iZfF4htg6SjQEN hOqXzrvkmHFrzJIVU00D1kw8nF4TLG+kZ5d2snTOH9Djw2DEzfy0RKCf6F30/TY9 V/1VdrBL/zd1uW0C0Hlv3u9Hjf0lRLdJvvsae2RaS1+IC76zHZToxWK5DGPeZ6oe tAURKN39A0WsbKrh9IaCWc0pdGPpMKJOO+TCntcEiU7z6Xl8JzbLanC8fScW7RiI Ah0mmaQ+9E9RYqi4uSNMbQIlD5dfy/KkmTaBCt/M/Lw3nMl4YdE= =1rwA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Izn7cH1Com+I3R9J--