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From: "Philip McGrath" <philip@philipmcgrath.com>
To: "Liliana Marie Prikler" <liliana.prikler@gmail.com>,
	"Efraim Flashner" <efraim@flashner.co.il>
Cc: 57050@debbugs.gnu.org, "\(" <paren@disroot.org>,
	Maxime Devos <maximedevos@telenet.be>,
	Thiago Jung Bauermann <bauermann@kolabnow.com>
Subject: [bug#57050] [PATCH v3 07/14] gnu: Add Zuo.
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2022 15:54:41 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <a889a0ae-d320-43a4-bf9c-af52c7769ad6@www.fastmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b3642d9023bf6e85dd4683e60f3ddeeb305c443e.camel@gmail.com>

On Sat, Aug 27, 2022, at 2:58 PM, Liliana Marie Prikler wrote:
> Am Samstag, dem 27.08.2022 um 14:08 -0400 schrieb Philip McGrath:
>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2022, at 8:01 AM, Liliana Marie Prikler wrote:
>> > Am Donnerstag, dem 25.08.2022 um 16:04 -0400 schrieb Philip
>> > McGrath:
>> > > How does this seem?
>> > > 
>> > >       (description "Zuo (作) is a tiny Racket with primitives for
>> > > dealing
>> > I don't think (作) adds anything meaningful.  Perhaps a Chinese
>> > translation might want to use that character, but in English we
>> > have to
>> > deal with the fact that most no one will understand that. 
>> 
>> I think "(作)" concisely answers the question, "Why is this called
>> Zuo?" (Answer: 作 means, roughly, "make".)
> To the average English speaker, which you'll have to assume in a
> description, it really doesn't.  You'll have to know that Zuo means
> make, at which point it is no longer that concise :)

I really think this is quite normal English usage. Consider, for example, The Chicago Manual of Style, 16th ed., 6.93 (Parentheses for glosses or translations), 11.7 (Translated titles), and, most specifically, 11.119 (Inclusion of Chinese and Japanese characters), which says that "Chinese and Japanese characters, immediately following the romanized version of the item they represent, are sometimes necessary to help readers identify references cited or terms used" and that "where needed in running text, they may be enclosed in parentheses."

When I search for the ascii string "zuo" in a general search engine, I see results about a wholesale furniture company, a "cloud-based subscription management platform provider", a music video, a video game, and several individuals whose names contain "zuo" before I get to any information about a Chinese word or character.

I don't think it's absolutely essential, but I don't see why including it would be a problem.

-Philip




  reply	other threads:[~2022-08-27 19:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 122+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-08-08  6:06 [bug#57050] [PATCH 0/6] gnu: Update Racket to 8.6. Add Zuo Philip McGrath
2022-08-08  6:10 ` [bug#57050] [PATCH 1/6] gnu: stex: Update to 1.2.2-2.afa6075 Philip McGrath
2022-08-08  6:10 ` [bug#57050] [PATCH 2/6] gnu: stex: Fix read-only gifs and math directories Philip McGrath
2022-08-08  6:10 ` [bug#57050] [PATCH 3/6] gnu: chez-scheme: Fix use of "/bin/sh" Philip McGrath
2022-08-08  8:53   ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-08-09 20:25     ` Philip McGrath
2022-08-09 21:24       ` Maxime Devos
2022-08-09 21:38         ` ( via Guix-patches via
2022-08-09 21:58           ` Philip McGrath
2022-08-09 22:09             ` ( via Guix-patches via
2022-08-10 11:46             ` Maxime Devos
2022-08-08  6:10 ` [bug#57050] [PATCH 4/6] gnu: Update Racket to 8.6. Add Zuo Philip McGrath
2022-08-08  9:01   ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-08-09 20:56     ` Philip McGrath
2022-08-10  7:34       ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-08-08  6:10 ` [bug#57050] [PATCH 5/6] gnu: racket: Use Racket CS on all systems Philip McGrath
2022-08-08  9:10   ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-08-08  6:10 ` [bug#57050] [PATCH 6/6] gnu: chez-scheme-for-racket: Suport " Philip McGrath
2022-08-08  9:15   ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-08-10 15:30 ` [bug#57050] [PATCH 0/6] gnu: Update Racket to 8.6. Add Zuo Thiago Jung Bauermann via Guix-patches via
2022-08-11  4:00   ` Philip McGrath
2022-08-11 11:08     ` [bug#57050] [PATCH v2 00/13] " Philip McGrath
2022-08-11 11:08       ` [bug#57050] [PATCH v2 01/13] gnu: stex: Update to 1.2.2-2.afa6075 Philip McGrath
2022-08-11 11:08       ` [bug#57050] [PATCH v2 02/13] gnu: stex: Fix read-only gifs and math directories Philip McGrath
2022-08-11 11:13         ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-08-11 11:08       ` [bug#57050] [PATCH v2 03/13] gnu: chez-scheme: Fix use of "/bin/sh" Philip McGrath
2022-08-11 11:08       ` [bug#57050] [PATCH v2 04/13] gnu: Add Zuo Philip McGrath
2022-08-11 11:31         ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-08-11 14:00           ` Philip McGrath
2022-08-11 15:34             ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-08-11 23:32               ` Philip McGrath
2022-08-16 14:47             ` Maxime Devos
2022-08-23  1:40               ` Philip McGrath
2022-08-23  9:11                 ` Maxime Devos
2022-08-23 23:24                   ` Philip McGrath
2022-08-23  9:20                 ` Maxime Devos
2022-08-24  0:27                   ` Philip McGrath
2022-08-24  5:42                     ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-08-24  5:47                       ` Philip McGrath
2022-08-25  8:54                     ` [bug#57050] [PATCH v3 00/14] gnu: Update Racket to 8.6. " Philip McGrath
2022-08-25  8:54                       ` [bug#57050] [PATCH v3 01/14] gnu: stex: Update to 1.2.2-2.afa6075 Philip McGrath
2022-08-25  8:54                       ` [bug#57050] [PATCH v3 02/14] gnu: stex: Fix read-only gifs and math directories Philip McGrath
2022-08-25  8:54                       ` [bug#57050] [PATCH v3 03/14] etc: teams: Add racket team Philip McGrath
2022-08-25  8:54                       ` [bug#57050] [PATCH v3 04/14] etc: teams: Add entry for Philip McGrath Philip McGrath
2022-08-25  8:54                       ` [bug#57050] [PATCH v3 05/14] gnu: racket: Adjust patch for "/bin/sh" in rktio Philip McGrath
2022-08-25  9:09                         ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-08-25 19:16                           ` Philip McGrath
2022-08-25  8:54                       ` [bug#57050] [PATCH v3 06/14] gnu: chez-scheme: Fix use of "/bin/sh" Philip McGrath
2022-08-25  8:54                       ` [bug#57050] [PATCH v3 07/14] gnu: Add Zuo Philip McGrath
2022-08-25  9:12                         ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-08-25 10:30                         ` Efraim Flashner
2022-08-25 20:04                           ` Philip McGrath
2022-08-26 12:01                             ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-08-27 18:08                               ` Philip McGrath
2022-08-27 18:58                                 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-08-27 19:54                                   ` Philip McGrath [this message]
2022-08-27 21:18                                     ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-08-27 21:28                                       ` Philip McGrath
2022-08-27 22:26                                         ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-08-25  8:54                       ` [bug#57050] [PATCH v3 08/14] gnu: racket: Update to 8.6 Philip McGrath
2022-08-25  9:14                         ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-08-25 10:39                         ` Efraim Flashner
2022-08-25  8:54                       ` [bug#57050] [PATCH v3 09/14] gnu: chez-scheme: Make bootfiles regular inputs Philip McGrath
2022-08-25  8:54                       ` [bug#57050] [PATCH v3 10/14] gnu: chez-scheme-for-racket: Support cross-compilation Philip McGrath
2022-08-25  8:54                       ` [bug#57050] [PATCH v3 11/14] gnu: racket: Support cross-compiling the VM packages Philip McGrath
2022-08-25  8:54                       ` [bug#57050] [PATCH v3 12/14] gnu: chez-scheme-for-racket: Suport all systems Philip McGrath
2022-08-25  9:24                         ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-08-25 10:50                           ` Efraim Flashner
2022-08-25 20:17                             ` Philip McGrath
2022-08-25  8:54                       ` [bug#57050] [PATCH v3 13/14] gnu: racket-vm-bc: Add workaround for ppc64le Philip McGrath
2022-08-25  8:54                       ` [bug#57050] [PATCH v3 14/14] gnu: racket: Use Racket CS on all systems Philip McGrath
2022-08-25  9:17                         ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-08-26 21:15                       ` [bug#57050] [PATCH v3 00/14] gnu: Update Racket to 8.6. Add Zuo Thiago Jung Bauermann via Guix-patches via
2022-08-27 18:55                     ` [bug#57050] [PATCH v4 " Philip McGrath
2022-08-27 18:55                       ` [bug#57050] [PATCH v4 01/14] gnu: stex: Update to 1.2.2-2.afa6075 Philip McGrath
2022-08-27 18:55                       ` [bug#57050] [PATCH v4 02/14] gnu: stex: Fix read-only gifs and math directories Philip McGrath
2022-08-27 18:55                       ` [bug#57050] [PATCH v4 03/14] etc: teams: Add racket team Philip McGrath
2022-08-27 18:55                       ` [bug#57050] [PATCH v4 04/14] etc: teams: Add entry for Philip McGrath Philip McGrath
2022-08-27 18:55                       ` [bug#57050] [PATCH v4 05/14] gnu: racket: Adjust patch for "/bin/sh" in rktio Philip McGrath
2022-08-27 18:55                       ` [bug#57050] [PATCH v4 06/14] gnu: chez-scheme: Fix use of "/bin/sh" Philip McGrath
2022-08-27 18:55                       ` [bug#57050] [PATCH v4 07/14] gnu: Add Zuo Philip McGrath
2022-08-27 18:55                       ` [bug#57050] [PATCH v4 08/14] gnu: racket: Update to 8.6 Philip McGrath
2022-08-27 19:21                         ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-08-27 20:30                           ` Philip McGrath
2022-08-27 18:55                       ` [bug#57050] [PATCH v4 09/14] gnu: chez-scheme: Make bootfiles regular inputs Philip McGrath
2022-08-27 18:55                       ` [bug#57050] [PATCH v4 10/14] gnu: chez-scheme-for-racket: Support cross-compilation Philip McGrath
2022-08-27 18:55                       ` [bug#57050] [PATCH v4 11/14] gnu: racket: Support cross-compiling the VM packages Philip McGrath
2022-08-27 18:55                       ` [bug#57050] [PATCH v4 12/14] gnu: chez-scheme-for-racket: Support all systems Philip McGrath
2022-08-27 18:55                       ` [bug#57050] [PATCH v4 13/14] gnu: racket-vm-bc: Add workaround for ppc64le Philip McGrath
2022-08-27 18:55                       ` [bug#57050] [PATCH v4 14/14] gnu: racket: Use Racket CS on all systems Philip McGrath
2022-09-04 20:53                       ` bug#57050: [PATCH 0/6] gnu: Update Racket to 8.6. Add Zuo Ludovic Courtès
2022-08-11 11:08       ` [bug#57050] [PATCH v2 05/13] gnu: racket: Update to 8.6 Philip McGrath
2022-08-11 11:44         ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-08-11 22:40           ` Philip McGrath
2022-08-12  6:34             ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-08-22  8:41         ` Efraim Flashner
2022-08-22 18:56           ` Philip McGrath
2022-08-11 11:08       ` [bug#57050] [PATCH v2 06/13] gnu: chez-scheme: Bootfiles should not be native inputs Philip McGrath
2022-08-11 11:47         ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-08-11 22:45           ` Philip McGrath
2022-08-12  4:21             ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-08-11 11:08       ` [bug#57050] [PATCH v2 07/13] gnu: chez-scheme-for-racket: Support cross-compilation Philip McGrath
2022-08-11 11:56         ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-08-11 22:49           ` Philip McGrath
2022-08-11 11:08       ` [bug#57050] [PATCH v2 08/13] gnu: racket: Support cross-compiling the VM packages Philip McGrath
2022-08-11 11:58         ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-08-11 23:23           ` Philip McGrath
2022-08-11 11:08       ` [bug#57050] [PATCH v2 09/13] gnu: chez-scheme-for-racket: Suport all systems Philip McGrath
2022-08-11 12:02         ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-08-11 23:25           ` Philip McGrath
2022-08-11 11:08       ` [bug#57050] [PATCH v2 10/13] gnu: racket-vm-bc: Add workaround for ppc64le Philip McGrath
2022-08-11 11:08       ` [bug#57050] [PATCH v2 11/13] gnu: racket: Use Racket CS on all systems Philip McGrath
2022-08-11 12:03         ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-08-11 11:08       ` [bug#57050] [PATCH v2 12/13] etc: teams: Add racket team Philip McGrath
2022-08-11 12:11         ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-08-11 11:08       ` [bug#57050] [PATCH v2 13/13] etc: teams: Add entry for Philip McGrath Philip McGrath
2022-08-13 17:43       ` [bug#57050] [PATCH v2 00/13] gnu: Update Racket to 8.6. Add Zuo Thiago Jung Bauermann via Guix-patches via
2022-08-15  5:47       ` [bug#57050] [RFC PATCH] gnu: racket-vm-cs: Avoid 'configure' bug with '--enable-racket' Philip McGrath
2022-08-15  6:12         ` Philip McGrath
2022-08-15 19:54       ` [bug#57050] [RFC PATCH v2] gnu: racket: Backport fix for powerpc64le Philip McGrath
2022-08-19  0:51         ` Thiago Jung Bauermann via Guix-patches via
2022-08-19 10:10           ` Maxime Devos

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