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From: Leo Famulari <leo@famulari.name>
To: Josh Marshall <joshua.r.marshall.1991@gmail.com>
Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: How would packaging Steam-proton games be received?
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2020 14:53:24 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <X+4sNJ3n+BTyRmCg@jasmine.lan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAFkJGRc1fjRwtekQQhsfVh+wok=51Y6HEJaiP49JHWbamKif+A@mail.gmail.com>

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Hi Josh,

I'm replying off-list, because this subject has been discussed soooo
many times without reaching a different conclusion, and because I worry
about starting a flamewar on the mailing list.

On Thu, Dec 31, 2020 at 02:12:16PM -0500, Josh Marshall wrote:
> So a separate channel would work for non-free software?  I know the stuff
> is fundamentally gross.  I'd still like to have a better way to get out of
> an ecosystem that is basically entirely all non-free software and a
> transition to fully free becomes possible.

If we think about free software in terms of the "4 freedoms" [0],
channels are a fully-supported way to help people take advantage of the
"zero-eth freedom", which is the freedom to use the software (Guix) as
one sees fit.

Personally, I think that ensuring an operating system is 100% free
software (and with no DRM support) hampers the success of the free
software movement by driving away users.

If we lived in a world with free software support for common hardware
(ahem, WiFi, Bluetooth, LTE) and for popular software use cases (popular
games and apps, commercial and educational software), then offering a
totally free system would be a viable approach.

But, that world doesn't exist. Even though some people who are happy to
use 10+ year old computers for very limited use cases might think it
does... many of them don't even use mobile phones... they don't
understand contemporary computing at all, from a practical perspective.

Nevertheless, the GNU Guix project has made a commitment to working
within the FSDG, and we are basically stuck with it barring some
cataclysmic change.

I think that maintaining a harmonious atmosphere within Guix will help
it continue to grow, and channels can satisfy the need for things that
don't fit the FSDG. If Guix becomes large enough, it could be
transformative for the free software movement.

[0]
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.en.html

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  reply	other threads:[~2020-12-31 19:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-12-31 18:09 How would packaging Steam-proton games be received? Josh Marshall
2020-12-31 18:54 ` Christopher Baines
2020-12-31 18:56 ` Leo Famulari
2020-12-31 19:12   ` Josh Marshall
2020-12-31 19:53     ` Leo Famulari [this message]
2020-12-31 21:07       ` Leo Famulari
2021-01-09  9:47       ` Bengt Richter
2020-12-31 19:55     ` Leo Famulari
2020-12-31 20:36       ` Josh Marshall
2020-12-31 20:50       ` Ryan Prior
2020-12-31 20:55         ` Josh Marshall

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