From: znavko@disroot.org
To: Katherine Cox-Buday <cox.katherine.e@gmail.com>, guix-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: What is the philosophy behind shepherd?
Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2019 21:02:42 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <7ccb4af5361a225750d4c90dc78abc3e@disroot.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87o95jlyo0.fsf@gmail.com>
Hello, Katherine! I've tried a little systemd, openrc and now I am using GuixSD with shepherd.
Lot of people and developers use systemd.
Here it is a link you may get info from http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
Here some theses https://ihatesystemd.com it was interesting for me cause I am not as deep in init systems.
I think need to define criterion to get appreciation of something. Think that layer is not a criteria.
Systemd works fine for some cases when you are sysadmin that want to control lot of things in one general interface - init system.
April 6, 2019 7:30 PM, "Katherine Cox-Buday" <cox.katherine.e@gmail.com> wrote:
> I must preface this email with the assurance that there is no agenda
> behind my questions; only ignorance and curiosity. Please read it with
> that in mind!
>
> A couple weeks ago, I was watching a video called "The Tragedy of
> Systemd"[1]. In it, Benno Rice discusses the need for a so-called
> "system layer" which is responding to the many complicated signals
> coming into a system from thing happening (e.g. networks becoming
> available/unavailable, VPNs mucking with DNS and routing tables, etc.).
> He characterizes systemd and things like it as something that lives
> between kernel-space and user-space.
>
> It really opened my eyes to why something like systemd exists rather
> than sticking with the old-style init systems.
>
> Does Shepherd take the stance that it is, or is to become a "system
> layer"?
>
> If so, one of the criticisms he has for systemd is that instead of
> pulling in protocols for things (e.g. DNS), and allowing best-of-breed
> software to handle the implementation, it has pulled in the
> responsibility for implementation as well. Any thoughts on that?
>
> [1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_AIw9bGogo
> --
> Katherine
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2019-04-06 21:02 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-04-06 19:30 What is the philosophy behind shepherd? Katherine Cox-Buday
2019-04-06 21:02 ` znavko [this message]
2019-04-06 21:21 ` Katherine Cox-Buday
2019-04-07 8:08 ` znavko
2019-04-06 23:08 ` Christopher Lemmer Webber
2019-04-07 13:35 ` Pjotr Prins
2019-04-07 17:52 ` Adam Pribyl
2019-04-08 9:25 ` Ludovic Courtès
2019-04-11 1:21 ` Danny Milosavljevic
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