Wireless networking in guix

Wireless networking in guix

[Omar Radwan]

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I recently purchased a ThinkPenguin Wireless USB adapter because I have a
built-in Intel wireless card to work with my Thinkpad. I've been spending
some time to get wireless up and running, and I can say with the utilities
like wpa-supplicant, iw, and ip, it's a very tedious process every time you
wanted to get your wireless network up and running. I think we should get a
wireless network manager, and I do not recommend NetworkManager since it
has a dependency on systemd and we don't have that. I would recommend wicd,
except that its development it practically dried up, but it's still usable,
I don't know of any other network managers, but maybe we should look into
it.

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Re: Wireless networking in guix

[Daniel Pimentel]

On 2015-01-26 23:56, Omar Radwan wrote:
> I recently purchased a ThinkPenguin Wireless USB adapter because I
> have a built-in Intel wireless card to work with my Thinkpad. I've
> been spending some time to get wireless up and running, and I can say
> with the utilities like wpa-supplicant, iw, and ip, it's a very
> tedious process every time you wanted to get your wireless network up
> and running. I think we should get a wireless network manager, and I
> do not recommend NetworkManager since it has a dependency on systemd
> and we don't have that. I would recommend wicd, except that its
> development it practically dried up, but it's still usable, I don't
> know of any other network managers, but maybe we should look into it.
The Wicd is a good alternative and there are fewer dependencies. I 
believe that Wicd package will go out in soon.
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Daniel Pimentel (d4n1)

Re: Wireless networking in guix

[Ludovic Courtès]

I’ve used wicd in the past, and I agree it would be good to have it.
It needs packaging and a service definition, both of which should be
relatively easy.

Any takers?  :-)

Ludo’.

Re: Wireless networking in guix

[Daniel Pimentel]

On 2015-01-27 10:04, ludo@gnu.org wrote:
> I’ve used wicd in the past, and I agree it would be good to have it.
> It needs packaging and a service definition, both of which should be
> relatively easy.
> 
> Any takers?  :-)
> 
> Ludo’.
I wait for it too :)
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Daniel Pimentel (d4n1)

Re: Wireless networking in guix

[Omar Radwan]

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>I’ve used wicd in the past, and I agree it >would be good to have it.
>It needs packaging and a service >definition, both of which should be
>relatively easy.

>Any takers?  :-)

>Ludo’.

I could try to port it as my first package. It seems trivial enough. I'm
pretty sure that I'll get stuck somewhere but I'll just drop by the irc if
that happens.

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Wireless networking in guix

[Ondra Pelech]

> NetworkManager ... has a dependency on systemd

It doesn't seem to be the case:

http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/svn/basicnet/networkmanager.html

best regards

Re: Wireless networking in guix

[Omar Radwan]

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> It doesn't seem to be the case:
>
> http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/svn/basicnet/networkmanager.html

That's strangely peculiar. On debian, network manager wouldn't dare run
except with systemd installed. But even if so, I still do think that wicd
is the better option.

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Re: Wireless networking in guix

[Ondra Pelech]

On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 4:19 PM, Omar Radwan <toxemicsquire4@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> It doesn't seem to be the case:
>>
>> http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/svn/basicnet/networkmanager.html
>
> That's strangely peculiar. On debian, network manager wouldn't dare run
> except with systemd installed.

it is probably a matter of configuration -- no hard dependency outside of debian

> But even if so, I still do think that wicd is
> the better option.

networkmanager is actively developed and maintained with many people involved

https://www.openhub.net/p/network-manager
vs
https://www.openhub.net/p/wicd

also, networkmanager is a dependency of GNOME


best regards

Re: Wireless networking in guix

[Omar Radwan]

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>networkmanager is actively developed >and maintained with many people
>involved

>https <https://www.openhub.net/p/network-manager>://
<https://www.openhub.net/p/network-manager>www.openhub.net
<https://www.openhub.net/p/network-manager>/p/
<https://www.openhub.net/p/network-manager>network-
<https://www.openhub.net/p/network-manager>>manager
<https://www.openhub.net/p/network-manager>
>vs
>https <https://www.openhub.net/p/wicd>:// <https://www.openhub.net/p/wicd>
www.openhub.net <https://www.openhub.net/p/wicd>/p/
<https://www.openhub.net/p/wicd>wicd <https://www.openhub.net/p/wicd>

>also, networkmanager is a dependency >of GNOME

It makes no sense to not package both if we can. If we ever get GNOME on
guix, which requires us to do something about that systemd dependency, then
we can set network manager as default.
On Jan 27, 2015 7:26 AM, "Ondra Pelech" <ondra.pelech@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 4:19 PM, Omar Radwan <toxemicsquire4@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> It doesn't seem to be the case:
> >>
> >>
> http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/svn/basicnet/networkmanager.html
> >
> > That's strangely peculiar. On debian, network manager wouldn't dare run
> > except with systemd installed.
>
> it is probably a matter of configuration -- no hard dependency outside of
> debian
>
> > But even if so, I still do think that wicd is
> > the better option.
>
> networkmanager is actively developed and maintained with many people
> involved
>
> https://www.openhub.net/p/network-manager
> vs
> https://www.openhub.net/p/wicd
>
> also, networkmanager is a dependency of GNOME
>
>
> best regards
>

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Re: Wireless networking in guix

[Andreas Enge]

On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 07:48:36AM -0800, Omar Radwan wrote:
> It makes no sense to not package both if we can. If we ever get GNOME on guix,
> which requires us to do something about that systemd dependency, then we can
> set network manager as default.

I think the pseudo-dependency on systemd may be hidden in this line:
   "Required (...) udev-extras (from eudev)".
If Debian does not package eudev (?), one should need the udev of systemd.

Let us profit from community-driven development: I see a volunteer for
packaging each of the two options, and then the user can decide ;-)

Andreas
 

Re: Wireless networking in guix

[Andreas Enge]

I confirm: In debian, network-manager depends on udev, the binary package
of which is created from the systemd source package.

Andreas

Re: Wireless networking in guix

[Svetlana Tkachenko]

> NetworkManager ... has a dependency on systemd

This, as mentioned in other messages, is possible to avoid.

However I wanted to mention that, to my knowledge, there is no legitimate reason to avoid having systemd as an option in the GUIX distro. The only means by which a project is unsuccessful is if it becomes non-free. Systemd has not done so. Therefore if someone is willing to package it and software that depends on it, this should, to my knowledge, be allowed.

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Svetlana Tkachenko