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From: Jean Pierre De Jesus DIAZ via Bug reports for GNU Guix <bug-guix@gnu.org>
To: "57046@debbugs.gnu.org" <57046@debbugs.gnu.org>
Subject: bug#57046: (No Subject)
Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2022 11:01:50 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ar2c1NqtqpUcdQ2WQg6OmnjZmteIJpsbfWDbyWc6JDvHMF2BOiITNHB6i6hZByR868m9c01LneXi_8nKgtF-9Jve1sNeGXvMPuzCF6hHU_U=@jeandudey.tech> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <N8t-adx--3-2@tutanota.com>

FWIW author cites:

https://guix.gnu.org/es/manual/es/guix.es.html#DOCF50

As the reason for using feminine words.

https://guix.gnu.org/es/manual/es/guix.es.html#FOOT50

Quoting from the manual:

>NdT: En esta traducción se ha optado por usar el femenino para referirse a personas, ya que es el género gramatical de dicha palabra. Aunque las construcciones impersonales pueden adoptarse en la mayoría de casos, también pueden llegar a ser muy artificiales en otros usos del castellano; en ocasiones son directamente imposibles. Algunas construcciones que proponen la neutralidad de género dificultan la lectura automática (-x), o bien dificultan la corrección automática (-e), o bien aumentan significativamente la redundancia y reducen del mismo modo la velocidad en la lectura (-as/os, -as y -os). No obstante, la adopción del genero neutro heredado del latín, el que en castellano se ha unido con el masculino, como construcción neutral de género se considera inaceptable, ya que sería equivalente al “it” en inglés, nada más lejos de la intención de las autoras originales del texto.

>En esta traducción se ha optado por usar el femenino para referirse a personas, ya que es el género gramatical de dicha palabra.

Yes, right, "personas" is feminine, but doesn't mean "usuario" has to be changed
to a feminine word just because the word we use to designate people is feminine,
it has no relation. An user can not only represent people, but an organization,
a team, etc.

>la adopción del genero neutro heredado del latín, el que en castellano se ha unido con el masculino, como construcción neutral de género se considera inaceptable

That's not a fact, it's an opinion, and a very personal one.

>nada más lejos de la intención de las autoras originales del texto.

This one, here it's written as "autoras" as feminine when "autores" is already
a neutral word, it's doesn't refer to a man nor a woman, just a group of people
that authored something. So, if Spanish has already gendered words, with masculine,
feminine and neutral, and a neutral word is already available, then what's the real
intention of the author of that foot note?

---

I feel like the guideline for writing using neutral words was taken out of context
and abused for personal purposes.

—
Jean-Pierre De Jesus DIAZ





  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-08-08 11:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-08-07 15:52 bug#57046: Spanish documentation uses exclusive language lfvega--- via Bug reports for GNU Guix
2022-08-08 10:39 ` Jean Pierre De Jesus DIAZ via Bug reports for GNU Guix
2022-08-08 14:18   ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2022-08-09 13:46     ` Ludovic Courtès
2022-08-09 15:45       ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2022-08-09 17:15         ` Csepp
2022-08-09 20:02           ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2022-08-10 18:54             ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice via Bug reports for GNU Guix
2022-08-11 14:33               ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2022-08-10 13:38         ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2022-08-12 13:24           ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2022-08-10  1:23       ` bokr
2022-08-10 17:14         ` Csepp
2022-08-08 11:01 ` Jean Pierre De Jesus DIAZ via Bug reports for GNU Guix [this message]
2022-08-08 15:29   ` lfvega--- via Bug reports for GNU Guix
2022-08-11 17:08 ` Jean Pierre De Jesus DIAZ via Bug reports for GNU Guix
2022-08-13  7:48   ` Csepp
2022-08-13  8:19     ` Jean Pierre De Jesus DIAZ via Bug reports for GNU Guix
2022-08-13 10:27     ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2022-10-08 14:09 ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)

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