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From: ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic Courtès)
To: "Clément Lassieur" <clement@lassieur.org>
Cc: 32234@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#32234: Cuirass: The SQLite built in busy handler might block the Fibers scheduler
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2018 22:11:07 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8736w9ogpw.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87r2jusz7d.fsf@lassieur.org> ("Clément Lassieur"'s message of "Mon, 23 Jul 2018 18:18:14 +0200")

Clément Lassieur <clement@lassieur.org> skribis:

> Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org> writes:
>
>> Clément Lassieur <clement@lassieur.org> skribis:
>>
>>> Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org> writes:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>>> Perhaps instead we need to set the timeout to a small value and handle
>>>> SQLITE_BUSY at the call site in our code.  We could define a macro that
>>>> automatically retries upon SQLITE_BUSY.
>>>
>>> That would limit the issue to the first timeout span: for that short
>>> time the scheduler would be blocked.  I think a timeout of 0 would be
>>> better.
>>
>> Yes, 0 is an acceptable “small value.”  ;-)  Perhaps 100ms would be
>> acceptable if the situation is rare enough, dunno.
>>
>>> Another solution would be to serialize all the database accesses as we
>>> do already with the url handler, and stop using the SQLITE
>>> multithreading features.  It would probably make the code simpler
>>> because we would use the same paradigm everywhere, and we would avoid
>>> looping until SQLITE isn't busy at each request.
>>
>> In essence we’d introduce a “database server” running as a fiber, and
>> everyone would talk to that server.
>
> Why not as a thread?  There would be only one thread dedicated to SQLITE
> (thus adding a constant overhead), and that would prevent the Scheduler
> from being bloqued by long SQLite queries.

Right, if we want to have a big timeout, it should be a thread, not a
fiber.  Sorry for the confusion.

>> I considered doing that before but then though sqlite would probably be
>> able to do better than this, but I don’t know.
>
> And it's hard to test...
>
>> What’s a bit annoying with switching to a database server model is that
>> we’d need to adapt every call site.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>
> I'm a tiny bit in favor of switching to a database server model because
> it's more consistent overall (we already use it for the url handler) and
> the scheduler wouldn't be bloqued by long SQLite queries.
>
> It's annoying to adapt every call site, but it would be done once and
> for all. :-)

Indeed.  If you want to take that route, that’s fine with me!

Thank you,
Ludo’.

  reply	other threads:[~2018-07-23 20:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-07-21  9:57 bug#32234: Cuirass: The SQLite built in busy handler might block the Fibers scheduler Clément Lassieur
2018-07-23  9:18 ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-07-23 13:42   ` Clément Lassieur
2018-07-23 14:57     ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-07-23 16:18       ` Clément Lassieur
2018-07-23 20:11         ` Ludovic Courtès [this message]
2018-08-06 19:27 ` bug#32234: [PATCH 1/2] utils: Avoid deadlock when WITH-CRITICAL-SECTION calls are nested Clément Lassieur
2018-08-06 19:27   ` bug#32234: [PATCH 2/2] database: Serialize all database accesses in a thread Clément Lassieur
2018-08-06 19:35     ` Clément Lassieur
2018-08-19 14:06     ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-08-26 14:07       ` Clément Lassieur
2018-08-26 21:16         ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-08-27 13:47           ` Clément Lassieur
2018-08-27 12:41         ` Danny Milosavljevic
2018-08-27 13:18           ` Clément Lassieur
2018-08-27 14:23             ` Danny Milosavljevic
2018-08-27 15:05               ` Clément Lassieur

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