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From: "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net>
To: bug-xorriso@gnu.org
Cc: 35283@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#35283: ISO images are not reproducible
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2019 14:46:48 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <11201672983044432889@scdbackup.webframe.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <875zrafck7.fsf_-_@gnu.org>

Hi,

> Files added by ‘grub-mkrescue’ are “out of our control” so we would need
> to patch ‘grub-mkrescue’ to honor SOURCE_DATE_EPOCH, for example.

Google shows that patches have been proposed. But they seem not to
have made it into the source.

Vladimir Serbinko's answer here
  https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/grub-devel/2015-12/msg00046.html
might be the reason. I understand that he demands uniqueness of UUIDs.

But that's not really a problem with reproducible ISOs. If pseudo-random
UUIDs depend deterministically on SOURCE_DATE_EPOCH, then collisions are
only to expect between ISOs made with the same seconds value.
This can also happen if non-reproducible ISOs are made while their
systems' clocks show the same time by mere incident.

So one should use SOURCE_DATE_EPOCH values with best possible entropy.
Not one humanly invented lucky number for all ISOs of a distro.

If ever two identical ISOs are offered to GRUB at boot time, it needs
some imagination to construct a problem if GRUB operates on the one
which was not used by the EFI firmware to start GRUB.


So when a reproducible ISO is made for the first time, its SOURCE_DATE_EPOCH
should be taken from "date +%s" and recorded for further runs.
The ISO will bear it as "Creation Time", like "2019021612165300".
The last two digits "00" are centiseconds and should be ignored even
if not "00".
If decoding that time back to seconds-since-1970 is cumbersome, one may
store the seconds value in a data file in the input tree of the ISO
before packing up by a xorriso run with SOURCE_DATE_EPOCH having that
value.


> after rereading the Xorriso manual, it seemed to me that if we
> set SOURCE_DATE_EPOCH and pass:
>   -volume_date all_file_dates set_to_mtime
> then all the files would have the mtime specified by SOURCE_DATE_EPOCH,
> which would solve the problem.

This is the support for ignoring atime and ctime changes of input files
but respecting their mtime changes.

If you want a fixed time for all three timestamps in all files, do:

  -volume_date all_file_dates ="$SOURCE_DATE_EPOCH"

The "=" announces seconds-since-1970 as time format. See -alter_date.

Note that in this proposal $SOURCE_DATE_EPOCH is evaluated by the shell,
not by xorriso. Depending on the way how xorriso is started, you need to
insert the actual number.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

  reply	other threads:[~2019-04-19 12:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-12-06  0:02 bug#33639: ISO installer image is broken on i686 Ludovic Courtès
2018-12-06  7:19 ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-12-06 10:34   ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-12-06 14:08     ` Thomas Schmitt
2018-12-06 15:34       ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-12-06 16:59         ` Thomas Schmitt
2018-12-15 18:40         ` Thomas Schmitt
2018-12-15 19:24           ` Thomas Schmitt
2018-12-16 15:52           ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-12-16 16:52             ` Thomas Schmitt
2018-12-18 11:16               ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-12-18 21:45                 ` Thomas Schmitt
2018-12-19 14:05                   ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-12-19 14:51                     ` Thomas Schmitt
2018-12-20 13:38                       ` Thomas Schmitt
2018-12-21 20:44                         ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-12-21 21:42                           ` Thomas Schmitt
2019-04-07 20:18                             ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2019-04-07 21:35                               ` Thomas Schmitt
2019-04-08  8:50                                 ` Ludovic Courtès
2019-04-09 22:13                                   ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2019-04-10 11:17                                     ` Thomas Schmitt
2019-04-10 21:23                                       ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2019-04-12 21:26                                       ` Ludovic Courtès
2019-04-13  6:37                                         ` Thomas Schmitt
2019-04-13 13:46                                         ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2019-04-13 16:20                                           ` Thomas Schmitt
2019-04-14 21:43                                             ` Ludovic Courtès
2019-04-15  6:07                                               ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2019-04-15  8:16                                               ` Thomas Schmitt
2019-04-15  8:35                                                 ` Thomas Schmitt
2019-04-19 11:40                                             ` bug#35283: ISO images are not reproducible Ludovic Courtès
2019-04-19 12:46                                               ` Thomas Schmitt [this message]
2019-04-20 22:57                                                 ` Ludovic Courtès
2019-04-21  8:17                                                   ` Thomas Schmitt
2019-04-21 16:42                                                     ` Ludovic Courtès
2019-04-21 18:44                                                       ` Thomas Schmitt
2019-04-20 23:03                                                 ` bug#35283: [PATCH] mformat: initialize boot sector before writing it Ludovic Courtès
2019-04-21 16:32                                                 ` bug#35283: [PATCH] grub-mkrescue: Allow users to specify a FAT serial number Ludovic Courtès
2019-04-14 15:47                                           ` bug#33639: ISO installer image is broken on i686 Ludovic Courtès
2019-04-15 16:54                                           ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2019-04-15 17:55                                             ` Thomas Schmitt
2019-04-16  9:57                                               ` Gábor Boskovits
2019-04-16 21:01                                             ` Ludovic Courtès
2019-04-17  9:03                                               ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2018-12-06 16:28       ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-12-06 17:29         ` Thomas Schmitt
2018-12-07 22:51           ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-12-08 12:42             ` Thomas Schmitt
2018-12-06  9:35 ` swedebugia
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2019-04-15  7:46 bug#35283: ISO images are not reproducible Ludovic Courtès

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