From: Blake Shaw <blake@nonconstructivism.com>
To: Vijay Marupudi <vijaymarupudi@gatech.edu>
Cc: Ognen Duzlevski <maketo@sdf.org>, guile-user@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Newbie thoughts on Guile Hall + Guix
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2022 19:19:06 +0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87a6f1mtz3.fsf@nonconstructivism.com> (raw)
Vijay Marupudi <vijaymarupudi@gatech.edu> writes:
> I don't think it's fair to say that using packages in Guile just as
> easy/hard as other languages. Python / Javascript make this incredibly
> easy, and their ecosystem is evidence for that success. Their package
> managers have flaws, but they have benefits too, and those benefits
> would be great for Guile.
I would just like to tag onto this convo that I agree that its not fair
to say that Guile is easy and will quickly bless those who endeavor to
learn it with superpowers. My experience w/Racket was very smooth and I
got working in it very quickly. I was a contracted to work on a project in
Python a few months ago and without ever studying it I was able to
start doing production work in it (ridiculous how intuitive it is,
really). Before I started learning Guile I read Edwin Brady's book on
Idris and found Idris much easier to get from start to end of small
projects I was working on (because there is a well written book on it).
While Guile has become my favorite programming language, it took me
several months to learn how to navigate & figure out how to navigate the
SRFIs, how to plan a program so that I can know what to expect along the
way (what features I'll need to implement myself, etc) before I was able
to get productive in it beyond the realm of Guix. And I think most would
agree that Scheme is a less advanced language than Idris (I did some
category theory in school so I have some intuition for the ideas, but
still). And to be honest, I still hit plenty of road blocks.
There were definitely some times where I was digging around trying to
figure out how to do things and came across messages in the archives
saying "its so easy you just do [vague hand wavy explanation]". And I
found that quite frustrating, like there is an insularity meant to weed
out the bad apples. And when this topic popped up on the guix list a few
weeks ago some others expressed similar concerns, folks who are doing
very impressive work. A programming language should never make
programmers feel dumb -- it should make us feel empowered!
[end rant, thanks for humoring me]
--
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2022-02-08 12:19 Blake Shaw [this message]
2022-02-08 19:46 ` Newbie thoughts on Guile Hall + Guix Chris Vine
2022-02-09 15:18 ` Ideas for making Guile easier to approach Christine Lemmer-Webber
2022-02-09 20:33 ` Daniel Tornabene
2022-02-09 21:05 ` Maxime Devos
2022-02-09 23:06 ` Keith Wright
2022-02-09 21:05 ` Olivier Dion via General Guile related discussions
2022-02-09 21:07 ` Maxime Devos
2023-10-05 14:15 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2022-02-09 23:01 ` Chris Vine
2022-02-10 0:56 ` Timothy Sample
2022-02-10 10:01 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2022-02-10 1:32 ` Blake Shaw
2022-02-10 2:02 ` paul
2022-02-10 11:27 ` Mikael Djurfeldt
2022-02-10 14:34 ` Leo Butler
2022-02-10 15:58 ` Mikael Djurfeldt
2022-02-10 18:25 ` Olivier Dion via General Guile related discussions
2023-09-27 19:29 ` Christine Lemmer-Webber
2023-09-28 12:30 ` Maxime Devos
2022-02-09 6:28 ` Newbie thoughts on Guile Hall + Guix Catonano
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2022-02-10 12:42 Blake Shaw
2022-02-09 10:30 Blake Shaw
2022-02-09 14:13 ` Olivier Dion via General Guile related discussions
2022-02-09 20:05 ` Aleix Conchillo Flaqué
2022-02-09 20:28 ` Maxime Devos
2022-02-09 21:13 ` Aleix Conchillo Flaqué
2022-02-10 18:03 ` Vivien
2022-02-09 3:23 Blake Shaw
2022-02-08 16:13 Blake Shaw
2022-02-06 13:40 dsmich
2022-02-05 20:01 Christine Lemmer-Webber
2022-02-05 22:15 ` Mikael Djurfeldt
2022-02-05 23:19 ` Jose Antonio Ortega Ruiz
2022-02-06 14:09 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2022-02-06 0:40 ` Christine Lemmer-Webber
2022-02-06 4:54 ` Aleix Conchillo Flaqué
2022-02-06 13:14 ` Mikael Djurfeldt
2022-02-06 14:03 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2022-02-06 14:28 ` Vijay Marupudi
2022-02-06 14:53 ` Ognen Duzlevski
2022-02-06 15:13 ` Maxime Devos
2022-02-06 15:29 ` Vijay Marupudi
2022-02-06 21:34 ` Zelphir Kaltstahl
2022-02-07 2:11 ` David Pirotte
2022-02-07 2:47 ` David Pirotte
2022-02-07 19:21 ` Zelphir Kaltstahl
2022-02-07 22:35 ` adriano
2022-02-05 22:16 ` Vivien
2022-02-06 2:53 ` Zelphir Kaltstahl
2022-02-06 16:35 ` Olivier Dion via General Guile related discussions
2022-02-06 16:44 ` Vivien Kraus
2022-02-06 22:10 ` Olivier Dion via General Guile related discussions
2022-02-06 16:55 ` Maxime Devos
2022-02-06 22:05 ` Olivier Dion via General Guile related discussions
2022-02-06 22:32 ` Maxime Devos
2022-02-06 23:00 ` Olivier Dion via General Guile related discussions
2022-02-06 21:37 ` Zelphir Kaltstahl
2022-02-06 22:12 ` Olivier Dion via General Guile related discussions
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