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* Implementing Guile with a Windows port
       [not found] <1994873807.737861.1633780908082.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
@ 2021-10-09 12:01 ` Andrew Goh
  2021-10-09 18:10   ` Taylan Kammer
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Andrew Goh @ 2021-10-09 12:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: guile-devel

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Hello everybody,
I was wondering if the GNU Guile development team had thought of implementing a GNU Guile version for Microsoft Windows operating systems (Win 10, 11), to be used as a plug-in on JetBrains Intellij IDEA Ultimate, Community IDE and the VS Code IDE.
Regards,

--- Andrew Goh

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* Re: Implementing Guile with a Windows port
  2021-10-09 12:01 ` Implementing Guile with a Windows port Andrew Goh
@ 2021-10-09 18:10   ` Taylan Kammer
  2021-10-09 18:32     ` Eli Zaretskii
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Taylan Kammer @ 2021-10-09 18:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Andrew Goh, guile-devel

On 09.10.2021 14:01, Andrew Goh wrote:
> Hello everybody,
> 
> I was wondering if the GNU Guile development team had thought of implementing a GNU Guile version for Microsoft Windows operating systems (Win 10, 11), to be used as a plug-in on JetBrains Intellij IDEA Ultimate, Community IDE and the VS Code IDE.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> 
> --- Andrew Goh
> 

Hi Andrew,

I can't speak for the developers, but as far as I can tell, there isn't the
right combination of willingness and resources to support a native port of
GNU Guile for MS Windows.

As far as I know, there's a MinGW port, but if I'm not mistaken it's partly
neglected and not as feature-rich as the "normal" GNU/Linux version.

-- 
Taylan



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* Re: Implementing Guile with a Windows port
  2021-10-09 18:10   ` Taylan Kammer
@ 2021-10-09 18:32     ` Eli Zaretskii
  2021-10-10  1:02       ` David Pirotte
  2021-10-10 16:25       ` Jonas Hahnfeld via Developers list for Guile, the GNU extensibility library
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2021-10-09 18:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Taylan Kammer; +Cc: andrewgoh95, guile-devel

> From: Taylan Kammer <taylan.kammer@gmail.com>
> Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2021 20:10:15 +0200
> 
> I can't speak for the developers, but as far as I can tell, there isn't the
> right combination of willingness and resources to support a native port of
> GNU Guile for MS Windows.
> 
> As far as I know, there's a MinGW port, but if I'm not mistaken it's partly
> neglected and not as feature-rich as the "normal" GNU/Linux version.

A MinGW port of Guile 2.0.11 can be found on the ezwinports site.
AFAIK, the only feature it omits is threads, because Guile built with
threads is broken on MS-Windows.



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* Re: Implementing Guile with a Windows port
  2021-10-09 18:32     ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2021-10-10  1:02       ` David Pirotte
  2021-10-10  6:29         ` Eli Zaretskii
  2021-10-10 16:25       ` Jonas Hahnfeld via Developers list for Guile, the GNU extensibility library
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: David Pirotte @ 2021-10-10  1:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: andrewgoh95, guile-devel

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Le Sat, 09 Oct 2021 21:32:23 +0300,
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> a écrit :

> > From: Taylan Kammer <taylan.kammer@gmail.com>
> > Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2021 20:10:15 +0200
> > 
> > I can't speak for the developers, but as far as I can tell, there
> > isn't the right combination of willingness and resources to support
> > a native port of GNU Guile for MS Windows.
> > 
> > As far as I know, there's a MinGW port, but if I'm not mistaken
> > it's partly neglected and not as feature-rich as the "normal"
> > GNU/Linux version.  
> 
> A MinGW port of Guile 2.0.11 can be found on the ezwinports site.
> AFAIK, the only feature it omits is threads, because Guile built with
> threads is broken on MS-Windows.

Fwiw, when I need to, I use msys2:

	https://www.msys2.org/

	https://packages.msys2.org/search?t=binpkg&q=guile
	=>
		Package		Version	
		guile		2.2.7-1	
		libguile		2.2.7-1	
		libguile-devel	2.2.7-1

Not sure it has all 'native' features, but it has threads.

hth,
David

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* Re: Implementing Guile with a Windows port
  2021-10-10  1:02       ` David Pirotte
@ 2021-10-10  6:29         ` Eli Zaretskii
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2021-10-10  6:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: David Pirotte; +Cc: andrewgoh95, guile-devel

> Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2021 22:02:06 -0300
> From: David Pirotte <david@altosw.be>
> Cc: Taylan Kammer <taylan.kammer@gmail.com>, andrewgoh95@yahoo.com.sg,
>  guile-devel@gnu.org
> 
> Le Sat, 09 Oct 2021 21:32:23 +0300,
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> a écrit :
> 
> > A MinGW port of Guile 2.0.11 can be found on the ezwinports site.
> > AFAIK, the only feature it omits is threads, because Guile built with
> > threads is broken on MS-Windows.
> 
> Fwiw, when I need to, I use msys2:
> 
> 	https://www.msys2.org/
> 
> 	https://packages.msys2.org/search?t=binpkg&q=guile
> 	=>
> 		Package		Version	
> 		guile		2.2.7-1	
> 		libguile		2.2.7-1	
> 		libguile-devel	2.2.7-1

That's not a native MS-Windows program, its behavior differs from
native programs in subtle ways.  If that doesn't bother the OP, then
it's fine to use it.  But you cannot, for example, use libguile from
that distribution to build a MinGW port of GDB or GNU Make with Guile
support, because that libguile can only be linked into MSYS2
executables.  So once you start using that library, you are locked
into MSYS2 applications and cannot escape into native MS-Windows
applications produced by MinGW.



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* Re: Implementing Guile with a Windows port
  2021-10-09 18:32     ` Eli Zaretskii
  2021-10-10  1:02       ` David Pirotte
@ 2021-10-10 16:25       ` Jonas Hahnfeld via Developers list for Guile, the GNU extensibility library
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Jonas Hahnfeld via Developers list for Guile, the GNU extensibility library @ 2021-10-10 16:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Eli Zaretskii, Taylan Kammer; +Cc: andrewgoh95, guile-devel

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Am Samstag, dem 09.10.2021 um 21:32 +0300 schrieb Eli Zaretskii:
> > From: Taylan Kammer <taylan.kammer@gmail.com>
> > Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2021 20:10:15 +0200
> > 
> > I can't speak for the developers, but as far as I can tell, there
> > isn't the right combination of willingness and resources to support a
> > native port of GNU Guile for MS Windows.
> > 
> > As far as I know, there's a MinGW port, but if I'm not mistaken it's
> > partly neglected and not as feature-rich as the "normal" GNU/Linux
> > version.
> 
> A MinGW port of Guile 2.0.11 can be found on the ezwinports site.
> AFAIK, the only feature it omits is threads, because Guile built with
> threads is broken on MS-Windows.

With a few tweaks, it's also possible to build Guile 2.2 for mingw64,
https://github.com/hahnjo/lilypond-binaries/blob/main/scripts/build_native_deps.sh#L474-L492
(with a few things like networking and threads disabled because we
don't need them; not sure if this would be functional if enabled). It
would be nice if this worked out-of-the-box...

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2021-10-09 18:32     ` Eli Zaretskii
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