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From: Christopher Dimech <dimech@gmx.com>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: tsdh@gnu.org, help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Making a function than can only be used interactively
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2022 00:05:38 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <trinity-3009c6ef-aec4-4187-a320-ddef508db1eb-1656972337957@3c-app-mailcom-bs07> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvsfngftmb.fsf-monnier+Inbox@gnu.org>



> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2022 at 9:45 AM
> From: "Stefan Monnier" <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
> To: "Christopher Dimech" <dimech@gmx.com>
> Cc: tsdh@gnu.org, help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: Making a function than can only be used interactively
>
> >>    Indeed. It's usually discouraged because it's incompatible with
> >>    non-interactive uses of the function, but in the case under discussion
> >>    you don't care about that because you already have another function to
> >>    use for non-interactive calls.
> > It is indeed incompatible with non-interactive use.  A thing that can be done
> > is fire the warning even when Lisp Code in not transformed into byte-code.
>
> You could emit the warning/error during macro-expansion, indeed.
> Something like:
>
>     (defun foo (a b c)
>       (interactive ...)
>       (declare (compiler-macro (lambda (_) (error "Called non-interactively"))))
>       ...)
>
> Not sure what's the benefit, still.
>
> > Although byte compilation in recommended, I wonder how often people actually
> > byte-compile every file.
>
> `flymake-mode` will run the compiler for you to get those warnings right
> while you're writing the code.  If people don't see the warning because
> they don't compile their files, then let's fix it by trying to convince
> them to compile their files, which will come with a lot of other benefits.
>
> > Byte compiling will often tell you errors or warning in your elisp
> > code that you normally wouldn't know, but I think that running an
> > interactive-only function non-interactively is serious enough to
> > insert the warning in the warnings buffer anyway.
>
> Usually calling an interactive-only function non-interactively is not
> serious *at all* and very often it's The Right Thing to do.
>
>         Stefan

Depends whether the person coding that function thinks it is.  What can he
do then?  Issue warning as you suggested with `declare`?



  reply	other threads:[~2022-07-04 22:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-07-04 21:07 Making a function than can only be used interactively Christopher Dimech
2022-07-04 21:45 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-07-04 22:05   ` Christopher Dimech [this message]
2022-07-04 22:35     ` Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-07-05 14:02       ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-07-05 15:35         ` RE: [External] : " Christopher Dimech
2022-07-05 16:34           ` Drew Adams
     [not found]             ` <trinity-568779dc-3120-4001-a48b-df09d38f19a1-1657055684424@3c-app-mailcom-bs14>
2022-07-05 22:40               ` FW: " Drew Adams
2022-07-05 23:05                 ` Christopher Dimech
2022-07-04 23:33     ` Christopher Dimech
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2022-07-04 23:42 Christopher Dimech
2022-07-04 20:10 Christopher Dimech
2022-07-04 20:35 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-07-04 20:46   ` Christopher Dimech
2022-07-04 21:18     ` Stefan Monnier
2022-07-04 21:59       ` Christopher Dimech
2022-07-05 22:34       ` carlmarcos--- via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-07-04 19:32 Christopher Dimech
2022-07-03 19:16 carlmarcos--- via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-07-03 19:28 ` Bruno Barbier
     [not found] ` <N64WnlX--3-2@missing-mail-id>
2022-07-03 19:36   ` carlmarcos--- via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-07-03 19:53     ` Tassilo Horn
2022-07-03 20:17       ` carlmarcos--- via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-07-04  4:51         ` Tassilo Horn
2022-07-05 23:13       ` Emanuel Berg
2022-07-03 20:14     ` Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-07-03 20:27       ` carlmarcos--- via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-07-03 20:51       ` carlmarcos--- via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-07-03 21:18         ` Stefan Monnier
2022-07-03 21:29       ` carlmarcos--- via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-07-03 22:01         ` Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-07-03 22:45           ` carlmarcos--- via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-07-04  1:13             ` Stefan Monnier
     [not found]             ` <jwvczelllyq.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org-N65lQ2m----2>
2022-07-04 10:36               ` carlmarcos--- via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-07-04 10:55                 ` Tassilo Horn
2022-07-04 11:43                   ` Christopher Dimech
2022-07-04 13:21                     ` Stefan Monnier
2022-07-04 14:08                       ` Robert Pluim
2022-07-04 21:40                       ` Christopher Dimech
2022-07-05 17:35                         ` Jean Louis
2022-07-04 19:17                   ` carlmarcos--- via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-07-04 19:40                     ` Stefan Monnier
2022-07-04 19:50                       ` carlmarcos--- via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-07-04 20:45                         ` Stefan Monnier
2022-07-06  0:07                         ` Jean Louis
2022-07-06 20:00                           ` Christopher Dimech
2022-07-06 20:29                             ` Jean Louis
2022-07-07 11:03                               ` Christopher Dimech
2022-07-07 21:06                               ` carlmarcos--- via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-07-07 21:28                                 ` Emanuel Berg
2022-07-07 22:14                                   ` carlmarcos--- via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-07-08  3:40                                     ` Emanuel Berg
2022-07-08  6:08                                     ` Yuri Khan
2022-07-08  6:30                                       ` Emanuel Berg
2022-07-08  6:55                                         ` Yuri Khan
2022-07-08 11:44                                           ` carlmarcos--- via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-07-09  2:05                                             ` Emanuel Berg
2022-07-10  4:33                                             ` Emanuel Berg
2022-07-08 12:06                                           ` carlmarcos--- via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-07-08 12:11                                           ` Christopher Dimech
     [not found]                                           ` <N6Sh4jm--3-2@tutanota.com-N6ShCt5----2>
2022-07-08 12:18                                             ` carlmarcos--- via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-07-08 16:14                                           ` Christopher Dimech
2022-07-04  1:06     ` Po Lu

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