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From: "Gerd Möllmann" <gerd.moellmann@gmail.com>
To: Helmut Eller <eller.helmut@gmail.com>
Cc: emacs-devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: STatus of MPS branch
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2024 07:28:40 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m2sezec6ev.fsf@Pro.fritz.box> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87ttjulb16.fsf@gmail.com> (Helmut Eller's message of "Sun, 21 Apr 2024 22:24:05 +0200")

Helmut Eller <eller.helmut@gmail.com> writes:

> I changed some things and now I can no longer reproduce the exact same
> problem.  But it looked to me like a perfectly normal string with
> intervals=0x0.  Strangely, accessing the intervals field from GDB didn't
> cause any SIGSEGV.
>
> However, after setting breakpoints in handle_sigsegv and sigHandle (from
> MPS) I discovered that sigHandle wasn't called.  So my hypothesis is
> that the signal handler isn't initialized properly.  In particular, it
> seems problematic that ProtSetup (from MPS) is called before
> init_signals.
>
> Then I moved the call to init_signals in emacs.c up before the call to
> init_igc and voilà: the build completed.  With an apparently working
> (tty-only) Emacs.

Oh, I have an idea! Hopefully I can explain it. Let me try...

MPS is a copying GC, and it uses read-barriers for object forwarding.

Let's say O is an object managed by MPS, and it decides during GC that O
shall be moved in memory to the new location N. This is done by copying
O to N, storing at O the information that it has moved to N, and putting
a read-barrier on O.

The last step means that any access to O by the client (Emacs) leads to
MPS being involved, which updates the reference to O to a reference to
N.

Plus...

MacOS has a kernel that is, let's not get into details, a conglomerate
of Mach and FreeBSD kernel. This means MPS can use Mach mechanisms for
implementing read/write barriers, and I know it does because I landed in
that code in LLDB at some point.

Linux is not Mach, so MPS must use VM protection and signals.

And finally, the idea now would be that MPS's signal handling (probably
SIGSEGV and SIGBUS) and Emacs' signal handling interfere with one
another.

For example, MPS has done its thing and read-protected O from above.
Emacs accesses O, a SEGV is signaled, Emacs gets the signal and thinks
it's bit the dust. And so on.

Or, IOW, we need some Emacs signal handling support personal.

Does that make sense?



  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-04-22  5:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 149+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-04-20  9:34 STatus of MPS branch Gerd Möllmann
2024-04-20 14:56 ` Michael Albinus
2024-04-20 15:08   ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-04-20 15:32     ` Michael Albinus
2024-04-20 17:37       ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-04-21  7:39         ` Michael Albinus
2024-04-21  7:56           ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-04-21  8:00             ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-04-21  8:04               ` Michael Albinus
2024-04-21  8:08                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-04-21  8:18                   ` Michael Albinus
2024-04-21  8:28                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-04-21  8:17           ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-04-21  9:43             ` Michael Albinus
2024-04-21 10:07               ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-04-21 10:58                 ` Tramp tests in MPS branch (was: STatus of MPS branch) Michael Albinus
2024-04-21 12:44                   ` Tramp tests in MPS branch Gerd Möllmann
2024-04-21  9:29           ` STatus of " Eli Zaretskii
2024-04-21  4:38 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-04-21  5:31   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-04-21  5:39     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-04-21  9:04       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-04-21  9:17         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-04-21  6:15 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-04-21  9:09   ` Eglot tests on MPS branch (was: STatus of MPS branch) Eli Zaretskii
2024-04-21  9:53     ` João Távora
2024-04-21 10:13       ` Eglot tests on MPS branch Gerd Möllmann
2024-04-21 11:01         ` João Távora
2024-04-21 10:55       ` Eglot tests on MPS branch (was: STatus of MPS branch) Eli Zaretskii
2024-04-21  7:49 ` STatus of MPS branch Gerd Möllmann
2024-04-21  8:45   ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-04-21  9:08     ` Andrea Corallo
2024-04-21  9:33     ` Native compilation on " Eli Zaretskii
2024-04-21 10:17       ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-04-21 13:07         ` Andrea Corallo
2024-04-22  7:15           ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-04-22 22:02             ` Andrea Corallo
2024-04-23  3:11               ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-04-23 16:09               ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-04-23 19:43                 ` Andrea Corallo
2024-04-24 12:49                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-04-24 18:14                     ` Andrea Corallo
2024-04-24 18:28                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-04-24 20:54                         ` Andrea Corallo
2024-04-25  4:33                           ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-04-25  5:50                             ` Andrea Corallo
2024-04-25  7:18                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-04-25  8:06                                 ` Andrea Corallo
2024-04-25  8:15                                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-04-25  8:57                                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-04-25  9:42                                     ` Andrea Corallo
2024-04-25 11:33                                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-04-25  5:24                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-04-25  5:48                             ` Andrea Corallo
2024-04-25 15:20                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-04-26 10:15                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-04-21  8:58   ` STatus of " Andrea Corallo
2024-04-21  9:19     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-04-21  9:30   ` Native compilation on MPS branch (was: STatus of MPS branch) Eli Zaretskii
2024-04-21 14:39 ` STatus of MPS branch Helmut Eller
2024-04-21 15:37   ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-04-21 15:52     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-04-21 20:24     ` Helmut Eller
2024-04-22  4:58       ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-04-22  5:28       ` Gerd Möllmann [this message]
2024-04-22  6:15         ` MPS signals and Emacs (was: STatus of MPS branch) Eli Zaretskii
2024-04-22  6:44           ` MPS signals and Emacs Paul Eggert
2024-04-22  7:19             ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-04-22  7:40               ` Paul Eggert
2024-04-22  7:49                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-04-22  8:09                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-04-22  8:27                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-04-22  8:55                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-04-22  9:02                         ` Mattias Engdegård
2024-04-22  9:02                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-04-22  9:18                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-04-22  9:29                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-04-22  9:41                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-04-22 10:22                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-04-22 10:46                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-04-22 11:00                                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-04-22 12:01                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-04-22 12:16                                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-04-22 10:54                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-04-22 11:05                                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-04-22 19:41                   ` Paul Eggert
2024-04-22 20:55                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-04-22 22:12                       ` Paul Eggert
2024-04-23  3:15                         ` Gerd Möllmann
     [not found]                       ` <87le54g1h2.fsf@dick>
2024-04-23  5:51                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-04-23  6:35                           ` Helmut Eller
2024-04-23  6:45                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-04-23  6:53                               ` Helmut Eller
2024-04-23 14:29                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
     [not found]                                   ` <87sezbsmsd.fsf@dick>
2024-04-24  5:03                                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-04-22  7:46               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-04-22  7:55                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-04-22 14:10             ` Helmut Eller
2024-04-22 14:42               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-04-22 22:06                 ` Paul Eggert
2024-04-23  7:04                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-04-22  5:36       ` STatus of MPS branch Gerd Möllmann
2024-04-22  5:50         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-04-22 15:09           ` Helmut Eller
2024-04-22 17:02             ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-04-24  7:26 ` Collecting markers with MPS (was: STatus of MPS branch) Helmut Eller
2024-04-24  7:44   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-04-24  8:56     ` Collecting markers with MPS Helmut Eller
2024-04-24  9:17       ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-04-24 10:22       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-04-24 10:27         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-04-24 10:58           ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-04-24 13:32             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-04-24 13:51               ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-04-24 15:03         ` Helmut Eller
2024-04-24 15:54           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-04-24 16:21             ` Helmut Eller
2024-04-24 16:26               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-04-24 16:50                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-04-24 19:18                 ` Helmut Eller
2024-04-24 19:55                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-04-25  7:38                   ` Mattias Engdegård
2024-04-24  9:08     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-04-24 19:03       ` Helmut Eller
2024-04-24 20:02         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-04-24 20:13           ` Helmut Eller
2024-04-24 20:42             ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-04-25  9:44       ` Helmut Eller
2024-04-25 11:44         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-04-25 16:04 ` basic questions on MPS Andrea Corallo
2024-04-25 17:51   ` Helmut Eller
2024-04-25 18:48     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-04-25 18:53     ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-04-25 19:26     ` Vibhav Pant
2024-04-26  6:36       ` Helmut Eller
2024-04-26  7:25         ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-04-26 15:07         ` vibhavp
2024-04-26  6:42       ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-04-27  0:20     ` Richard Stallman
2024-04-27  8:41       ` Helmut Eller
2024-04-28 22:44         ` Richard Stallman
2024-04-29  4:27           ` Helmut Eller
2024-04-29 22:40             ` Richard Stallman
2024-04-25 18:41   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-04-25 18:53     ` Andrea Corallo
2024-04-25 18:56       ` Gerd Möllmann
2024-04-25 19:29         ` Andrea Corallo
2024-04-25 19:03       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-04-25 19:09         ` Andrea Corallo

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