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From: Howard Melman <hmelman@gmail.com>
To: 41129@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#41129: outline-mode: New keybindings for demote/promote/move-subtree
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2021 13:48:38 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <lytuqyp8ft.fsf@Lumet2.home> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CADwFkmmQAHgGJPdccKQLWzFwGXbFUEyoAw19tT1OL1pKUb5BAw@mail.gmail.com>

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

>> From: Howard Melman <hmelman@gmail.com>
>> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2021 12:39:52 -0500
>> 
>> the command right-word, which is only useful when editing
>> bidirectional
>
> This assertion is incorrect.  The real goal of right-word is to
> provide a command that works as users expect in both left-to-right and
> right-to-left contexts.  The alternative would be to request that the
> user should decide whether to use M-f or M-b to go in a particular
> direction, and that's a non-starter.

I stand corrected.  I'm a left-to-right only user and I
won't make the case that that is more important, merely that
I'm unfamiliar with the specifics of other users.

>> is so important it needs TWO very similar default key bindings
>> (M-right and C-right)
>
> This command has two bindings not because of its importance, but
> because other programs out there use those bindings.  Emacs is
> following the expectations of the users here.

Ok, but in emacs they expect and need both?  How do they
adjust in org mode? Or is this a complaint that users of
right-word have in org-mode? Would users of
outline-minor-mode adjust similarly?

Does outline-mode support right-to-left oriented outlines?
Does org?  I'm guessing not because then these arrow key
bindings would want to adjust demote/promote behavior
accordingly.  Should they?

Maybe these bindings could be in another minor-mode that
could be enabled by those users that want them?
outline-use-org-bindings-minor-mode. 

-- 

Howard






  reply	other threads:[~2021-01-30 18:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-05-07 20:49 bug#41129: outline-mode: New keybindings for demote/promote/move-subtree Stefan Kangas
2020-05-08 17:56 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-01-28  6:28   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-01-28  9:39     ` Pankaj Jangid
2021-01-28 15:07       ` Stefan Kangas
2021-01-29  4:49         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-01-29 20:06           ` Howard Melman
2021-01-29 22:01             ` bug#41129: [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-01-30  6:23             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-01-30 17:39               ` Howard Melman
2021-01-30 18:00                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-30 18:48                   ` Howard Melman [this message]
2021-01-30 19:22                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-30 19:40                       ` Howard Melman
2021-01-30 19:55                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-03 19:10                     ` Juri Linkov
2022-05-09 10:38                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-05-09 14:31                         ` Howard Melman
2022-05-10  2:03                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-05-11  7:10                             ` Juri Linkov
2022-05-11 10:37                               ` Visuwesh
2022-05-11 11:56                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen

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