Hercules.el vs hydra for Emacs shortkey bindings managemant.

Hercules.el vs hydra for Emacs shortkey bindings managemant.

[Hongyi Zhao]

Hercules.el vs hydra for Emacs shortkey bindings managemant.

Hydra [1] is a famous short binding workflow managemant package for Emacs.
OTOH, I also noticed the following wonderful Emacs package,
hercules.el [2], which says that it's an auto-magical, which-key based
hydra banisher. And according to the instructions given on the
author's gitlab website, it seems that this is really a wonderful
work.

Has anyone had any personal experience and comparison of the use of
these two packages? Can you share your experience here?

[1] https://github.com/abo-abo/hydra
[2] https://gitlab.com/jjzmajic/hercules.el

Regards
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Assoc. Prof. Hongyi Zhao <hongyi.zhao@gmail.com>
Theory and Simulation of Materials
Hebei Vocational University of Technology and Engineering
No. 473, Quannan West Street, Xindu District, Xingtai, Hebei province

Re: Hercules.el vs hydra for Emacs shortkey bindings managemant.

[Ergus via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor]

Maybe this is not what you want. But emacs 28 adds a third alternative with a simpler approach: repeat-mode. It is not for people who want a complex hydra experience and many fancy options. 
But for the basic functionality it works, is simpler to configure and much faster. Customization is also simpler and pretty clear. And less intrusive showing the bindings.

Sadly Hercules and hydra seems low maintained these days. That's why I removed both from my config recently.



On July 28, 2021 9:43:45 AM GMT+02:00, Hongyi Zhao <hongyi.zhao@gmail.com> wrote:
>Hercules.el vs hydra for Emacs shortkey bindings managemant.
>
>Hydra [1] is a famous short binding workflow managemant package for Emacs.
>OTOH, I also noticed the following wonderful Emacs package,
>hercules.el [2], which says that it's an auto-magical, which-key based
>hydra banisher. And according to the instructions given on the
>author's gitlab website, it seems that this is really a wonderful
>work.
>
>Has anyone had any personal experience and comparison of the use of
>these two packages? Can you share your experience here?
>
>[1] https://github.com/abo-abo/hydra
>[2] https://gitlab.com/jjzmajic/hercules.el
>
>Regards
>-- 
>Assoc. Prof. Hongyi Zhao <hongyi.zhao@gmail.com>
>Theory and Simulation of Materials
>Hebei Vocational University of Technology and Engineering
>No. 473, Quannan West Street, Xindu District, Xingtai, Hebei province
>

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Re: Hercules.el vs hydra for Emacs shortkey bindings managemant.

[Hongyi Zhao]

On Sun, Aug 1, 2021 at 9:40 AM Ergus <spacibba@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Maybe this is not what you want. But emacs 28 adds a third alternative with a simpler approach: repeat-mode. It is not for people who want a complex hydra experience and many fancy options.
> But for the basic functionality it works, is simpler to configure and much faster. Customization is also simpler and pretty clear. And less intrusive showing the bindings.

Do you mean this:
https://github.com/emacs-mirror/emacs/blob/master/lisp/repeat.el

> Sadly Hercules and hydra seems low maintained these days. That's why I removed both from my config recently.

According to the number of downloads on melpa, hydra is still widely used [1].

[1] https://melpa.org/#/?q=hydra&sort=downloads&asc=false

Hongyi

Re: Hercules.el vs hydra for Emacs shortkey bindings managemant.

[Arthur Miller]

Ergus via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
<help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> writes:

> Maybe this is not what you want. But emacs 28 adds a third alternative with a
> simpler approach: repeat-mode. It is not for people who want a complex hydra
> experience and many fancy options.
> But for the basic functionality it works, is simpler to configure and much
> faster. Customization is also simpler and pretty clear. And less intrusive
> showing the bindings.
>
> Sadly Hercules and hydra seems low maintained these days. That's why I removed both from my config recently.

It is just one year old, is there much to mainatain? :)

Never heard of hercules.el before, thank to both for pointing it out.

Re: Hercules.el vs hydra for Emacs shortkey bindings managemant.

[Hongyi Zhao]

On Sun, Aug 1, 2021 at 10:32 PM Arthur Miller <arthur.miller@live.com> wrote:
>
> Ergus via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
> <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> writes:
>
> > Maybe this is not what you want. But emacs 28 adds a third alternative with a
> > simpler approach: repeat-mode. It is not for people who want a complex hydra
> > experience and many fancy options.
> > But for the basic functionality it works, is simpler to configure and much
> > faster. Customization is also simpler and pretty clear. And less intrusive
> > showing the bindings.
> >
> > Sadly Hercules and hydra seems low maintained these days. That's why I removed both from my config recently.
>
> It is just one year old, is there much to mainatain? :)
>
> Never heard of hercules.el before, thank to both for pointing it out.

It seems, and I've learned, that hercules.el is abandoned by its author.

Regards
-- 
Assoc. Prof. Hongyi Zhao <hongyi.zhao@gmail.com>
Theory and Simulation of Materials
Hebei Vocational University of Technology and Engineering
No. 473, Quannan West Street, Xindu District, Xingtai, Hebei province

Re: Hercules.el vs hydra for Emacs shortkey bindings managemant.

[Ergus]

On August 1, 2021 4:17:50 AM GMT+02:00, Hongyi Zhao <hongyi.zhao@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Sun, Aug 1, 2021 at 9:40 AM Ergus <spacibba@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> Maybe this is not what you want. But emacs 28 adds a third alternative with a simpler approach: repeat-mode. It is not for people who want a complex hydra experience and many fancy options.
>> But for the basic functionality it works, is simpler to configure and much faster. Customization is also simpler and pretty clear. And less intrusive showing the bindings.
>
>Do you mean this:
>https://github.com/emacs-mirror/emacs/blob/master/lisp/repeat.el
>

Yes. That's what substituted hydra in my setup. It is not so pretty but is faster.

>> Sadly Hercules and hydra seems low maintained these days. That's why I removed both from my config recently.
>
>According to the number of downloads on melpa, hydra is still widely used [1].
>
Indeed, but it is receiving updates very rarely and the issues reports are accumulating without reply. Sadly it seems like Abo-abo is too busy because the same is happening to ivy, avy and swipper.

>[1] https://melpa.org/#/?q=hydra&sort=downloads&asc=false
>
>Hongyi

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