From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Arthur Miller Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Hercules.el vs hydra for Emacs shortkey bindings managemant. 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envelope-from=arthur.miller@live.com; helo=EUR06-AM7-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com X-Spam_score_int: 6 X-Spam_score: 0.6 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (0.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_50=0.8, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:132278 Archived-At: Ergus via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor writes: > Maybe this is not what you want. But emacs 28 adds a third alternative with a > simpler approach: repeat-mode. It is not for people who want a complex hydra > experience and many fancy options. > But for the basic functionality it works, is simpler to configure and much > faster. Customization is also simpler and pretty clear. And less intrusive > showing the bindings. > > Sadly Hercules and hydra seems low maintained these days. That's why I removed both from my config recently. It is just one year old, is there much to mainatain? :) Never heard of hercules.el before, thank to both for pointing it out.