From: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com>
To: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, "Mattias Engdegård" <mattiase@acm.org>
Subject: Re: Why shouldn't we have a #if .... #else .... #endif construct in Emacs Lisp?
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2023 19:36:20 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CADwFkm=x4qRaMxPnndiUeBCycrY5Ux=WXJOycg5rXC6X96WiOw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZO8ajMP-FF4XonhI@ACM>
Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> writes:
> > 1. Would it be hard to make the byte-compiler not warn in the
> > situation you describe?
>
> (That situation being where an obsolete function/variable is tested for,
> and is used or not used according to the result of the test.) It would
> not be too hard, and the scheme I'm proposing (with help from Philip K.)
> is one way of doing this.
I'm asking because we already have special casing in place for
(featurep 'xemacs) -- we just constant fold it -- so I'm wondering if
it would make sense to do the same here. See bytecomp.el:5671. It's
not the same situation exactly though, as we will often be able to run
bytecode from Emacs N+1 on Emacs N, whereas XEmacs/Emacs byte-code
compatibility is both long gone and in all likelihood not coming back.
> It may be, but it's clumsy. We would need such an alias for _each_
> function/variable which has been declared obsolete. In my proposed
> mechanism, by contrast, one would just need to replace an `if' form by a
> `hash-if'.
Right. I guess this has been the state of the art in Emacs Lisp so
far, though. And then `hash-if' itself won't exist in Emacs 24
either, of course, so depending on how ambitious people are with
backwards-compatibility they'll have to lug around compatibility
boiler-plate for that too.
If we do go with a new macro, I'd propose naming it `static-if' (as in
APEL) instead of `hash-if', because the latter name seems to wrongly
suggest that it has to do with hashing. Our legacy is also older than
even the C preprocessor.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-08-30 17:36 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-08-28 19:37 Why shouldn't we have a #if .... #else .... #endif construct in Emacs Lisp? Alan Mackenzie
2023-08-28 19:47 ` Ulrich Mueller
2023-08-28 20:06 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-08-28 21:01 ` Ulrich Mueller
2023-08-28 21:46 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-08-31 2:07 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-31 7:50 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-09-04 1:34 ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-04 10:50 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-09-04 11:02 ` tomas
2023-09-04 15:19 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-09-04 18:57 ` tomas
2023-09-06 0:58 ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-06 0:58 ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-06 7:28 ` Andreas Schwab
2023-09-06 9:31 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-09-06 9:56 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-09-09 0:39 ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-09 10:32 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-10 0:22 ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-10 8:36 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-13 23:53 ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-20 12:59 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-05 0:30 ` Why have a #if .... #else .... #endif construct in Emacs Lisp, when we could make the existing code DTRT unchanged? Richard Stallman
2023-09-05 0:41 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-09-08 17:54 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-09-05 4:37 ` tomas
2023-09-05 5:53 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-05 6:28 ` tomas
2023-09-05 11:06 ` Adam Porter
2023-09-05 11:26 ` Lynn Winebarger
2023-09-05 14:11 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-09-08 1:01 ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-08 2:45 ` Po Lu
2023-09-10 0:24 ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-05 8:14 ` Why shouldn't we have a #if .... #else .... #endif construct in Emacs Lisp? Ulrich Mueller
2023-08-28 19:53 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-29 9:19 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-08-29 10:36 ` João Távora
2023-08-29 11:09 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-29 11:20 ` João Távora
2023-08-30 20:48 ` Sean Whitton
2023-08-30 20:59 ` João Távora
2023-09-02 23:12 ` Stefan Monnier via Emacs development discussions.
2023-09-03 0:18 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-09-03 12:27 ` João Távora
2023-08-29 12:54 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-08-29 13:23 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-09-02 23:09 ` Stefan Monnier via Emacs development discussions.
2023-08-29 16:28 ` LdBeth
2023-08-29 20:09 ` Stefan Kangas
2023-08-30 10:31 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-08-30 17:36 ` Stefan Kangas [this message]
2023-08-30 18:03 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-08-30 18:17 ` Stefan Kangas
2023-09-02 15:06 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-09-02 15:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-02 19:43 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-09-03 4:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-03 10:48 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-09-03 11:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-03 13:24 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-09-02 19:20 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-09-02 19:37 ` Stefan Kangas
2023-09-02 19:58 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-09-04 11:12 ` Lynn Winebarger
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