From: Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Why shouldn't we have a #if .... #else .... #endif construct in Emacs Lisp?
Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2023 02:18:03 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87bkekp0sk.fsf@dataswamp.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: jwvzg24rx25.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org
Stefan Monnier via "Emacs development discussions." wrote:
>>>> In C, we have the very useful conditional compilation
>>>> directives introduced by #if or #ifdef, etc., which end
>>>> at #end.
>>>
>>> Those are directives to the C preprocessor and some people
>>> say it is a sign of weakness such a thing is even
>>> necessary to begin with.
>>>
>>> Let's see if they are right!
>>>
>>> What problem do you have? If we can solve it in Elisp, we
>>> cannot say those people saying that are wrong.
>>
>> FWIW, Common Lisp has reader macros to solve the problem:
>> http://clhs.lisp.se/Body/24_aba.htm
>
> I don't see why reader macros would be needed here.
> Reader macros are useful to introduce funny new shorthands
> or to avoid *reading* a chunk of code (e.g. because it uses
> some unsupported funny syntax) but in the present case we
> can read both branches of the `if` just fine, we just want
> to throw away one of the two before we macro-expand it.
In general, Lisp macros seem much more powerful and versatile
than the C preprocessor, and they are part of the language as
well.
But let's say preprocessor directives are part of the
C language as well then even tho it doesn't feel like
it, really.
The question is then, is there anything you can do with the
C preprocessor which you _cannot_ do in Lisp - with or
without macros?
--
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Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-08-28 19:37 Why shouldn't we have a #if .... #else .... #endif construct in Emacs Lisp? Alan Mackenzie
2023-08-28 19:47 ` Ulrich Mueller
2023-08-28 20:06 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-08-28 21:01 ` Ulrich Mueller
2023-08-28 21:46 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-08-31 2:07 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-31 7:50 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-09-04 1:34 ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-04 10:50 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-09-04 11:02 ` tomas
2023-09-04 15:19 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-09-04 18:57 ` tomas
2023-09-06 0:58 ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-06 0:58 ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-06 7:28 ` Andreas Schwab
2023-09-06 9:31 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-09-06 9:56 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-09-09 0:39 ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-09 10:32 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-10 0:22 ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-10 8:36 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-13 23:53 ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-20 12:59 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-05 0:30 ` Why have a #if .... #else .... #endif construct in Emacs Lisp, when we could make the existing code DTRT unchanged? Richard Stallman
2023-09-05 0:41 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-09-08 17:54 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-09-05 4:37 ` tomas
2023-09-05 5:53 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-05 6:28 ` tomas
2023-09-05 11:06 ` Adam Porter
2023-09-05 11:26 ` Lynn Winebarger
2023-09-05 14:11 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-09-08 1:01 ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-08 2:45 ` Po Lu
2023-09-10 0:24 ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-05 8:14 ` Why shouldn't we have a #if .... #else .... #endif construct in Emacs Lisp? Ulrich Mueller
2023-08-28 19:53 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-29 9:19 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-08-29 10:36 ` João Távora
2023-08-29 11:09 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-29 11:20 ` João Távora
2023-08-30 20:48 ` Sean Whitton
2023-08-30 20:59 ` João Távora
2023-09-02 23:12 ` Stefan Monnier via Emacs development discussions.
2023-09-03 0:18 ` Emanuel Berg [this message]
2023-09-03 12:27 ` João Távora
2023-08-29 12:54 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-08-29 13:23 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-09-02 23:09 ` Stefan Monnier via Emacs development discussions.
2023-08-29 16:28 ` LdBeth
2023-08-29 20:09 ` Stefan Kangas
2023-08-30 10:31 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-08-30 17:36 ` Stefan Kangas
2023-08-30 18:03 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-08-30 18:17 ` Stefan Kangas
2023-09-02 15:06 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-09-02 15:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-02 19:43 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-09-03 4:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-03 10:48 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-09-03 11:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-03 13:24 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-09-02 19:20 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-09-02 19:37 ` Stefan Kangas
2023-09-02 19:58 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-09-04 11:12 ` Lynn Winebarger
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