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* bug#64425: [PATCH] Mention minibuffer-next-completion in completion-help
@ 2023-07-02 16:31 sbaugh
  2023-07-02 17:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread
From: sbaugh @ 2023-07-02 16:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 64425

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Now that it's not necessary to switch to the *Completions* buffer to
switch between and choose completions, we should make that clear in
the help text.  Let's also make the bindings uniform both in and
outside the *Completions* buffer so users don't have to think about
the difference.

In working with new users, they've assumed that since the help text in
*Completions* says "Click on a completion to select it", that that's
the only way to select a completion.  This text should help clarify
that.

* lisp/simple.el (completion-list-mode-map): Bind
minibuffer-{next,previous,choose}-completion.
(completion-setup-function): Mention bindings for
minibuffer-{next,previous,choose}-completion.


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From c361966508e2da159b5e65c37dff7f78e87b3445 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Spencer Baugh <sbaugh@catern.com>
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2023 12:30:00 -0400
Subject: [PATCH] Mention minibuffer-next-completion in completion-help

Now that it's not necessary to switch to the *Completions* buffer to
switch between and choose completions, we should make that clear in
the help text.  Let's also make the bindings uniform both in and
outside the *Completions* buffer so users don't have to think about
the difference.

In working with new users, they've assumed that since the help text in
*Completions* says "Click on a completion to select it", that that's
the only way to select a completion.  This text should help clarify
that.

* lisp/simple.el (completion-list-mode-map): Bind
minibuffer-{next,previous,choose}-completion.
(completion-setup-function): Mention bindings for
minibuffer-{next,previous,choose}-completion.
---
 lisp/simple.el | 7 +++++--
 1 file changed, 5 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)

diff --git a/lisp/simple.el b/lisp/simple.el
index 406f1008df3..59e1311eb2b 100644
--- a/lisp/simple.el
+++ b/lisp/simple.el
@@ -9697,6 +9697,9 @@ completion-list-mode-map
     (define-key map [right] 'next-completion)
     (define-key map [?\t] 'next-completion)
     (define-key map [backtab] 'previous-completion)
+    (define-key map (kbd "M-<up>") 'minibuffer-previous-completion)
+    (define-key map (kbd "M-<down>") 'minibuffer-next-completion)
+    (define-key map (kbd "M-RET") 'minibuffer-choose-completion)
     (define-key map "z" 'kill-current-buffer)
     (define-key map "n" 'next-completion)
     (define-key map "p" 'previous-completion)
@@ -10093,8 +10096,8 @@ completion-setup-function
 	(goto-char (point-min))
 	(if (display-mouse-p)
 	    (insert "Click on a completion to select it.\n"))
-	(insert (substitute-command-keys
-		 "In this buffer, type \\[choose-completion] to \
+        (insert (substitute-command-keys
+		 "Type \\[minibuffer-next-completion] and \\[minibuffer-previous-completion] to change completion, and \\[minibuffer-choose-completion] to \
 select the completion near point.\n\n"))))))
 
 (add-hook 'completion-setup-hook #'completion-setup-function)
-- 
2.40.1


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* bug#64425: [PATCH] Mention minibuffer-next-completion in completion-help
  2023-07-02 16:31 bug#64425: [PATCH] Mention minibuffer-next-completion in completion-help sbaugh
@ 2023-07-02 17:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
  2023-07-02 19:14   ` sbaugh
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2023-07-02 17:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: sbaugh; +Cc: 64425

> From: sbaugh@catern.com
> Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2023 16:31:21 +0000 (UTC)
> 
> * lisp/simple.el (completion-list-mode-map): Bind
> minibuffer-{next,previous,choose}-completion.
> (completion-setup-function): Mention bindings for
> minibuffer-{next,previous,choose}-completion.
> ---
>  lisp/simple.el | 7 +++++--
>  1 file changed, 5 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
> 
> diff --git a/lisp/simple.el b/lisp/simple.el
> index 406f1008df3..59e1311eb2b 100644
> --- a/lisp/simple.el
> +++ b/lisp/simple.el
> @@ -9697,6 +9697,9 @@ completion-list-mode-map
>      (define-key map [right] 'next-completion)
>      (define-key map [?\t] 'next-completion)
>      (define-key map [backtab] 'previous-completion)
> +    (define-key map (kbd "M-<up>") 'minibuffer-previous-completion)
> +    (define-key map (kbd "M-<down>") 'minibuffer-next-completion)
> +    (define-key map (kbd "M-RET") 'minibuffer-choose-completion)
>      (define-key map "z" 'kill-current-buffer)
>      (define-key map "n" 'next-completion)
>      (define-key map "p" 'previous-completion)
> @@ -10093,8 +10096,8 @@ completion-setup-function
>  	(goto-char (point-min))
>  	(if (display-mouse-p)
>  	    (insert "Click on a completion to select it.\n"))
> -	(insert (substitute-command-keys
> -		 "In this buffer, type \\[choose-completion] to \
> +        (insert (substitute-command-keys
> +		 "Type \\[minibuffer-next-completion] and \\[minibuffer-previous-completion] to change completion, and \\[minibuffer-choose-completion] to \
>  select the completion near point.\n\n"))))))

Isn't this text too long for a single screen line?  If so, it will
cause an annoying "jumping" of the mode line.

Also, what about updating the documentation?





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* bug#64425: [PATCH] Mention minibuffer-next-completion in completion-help
  2023-07-02 17:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2023-07-02 19:14   ` sbaugh
  2023-07-03 11:21     ` Eli Zaretskii
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread
From: sbaugh @ 2023-07-02 19:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 64425

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Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

>> From: sbaugh@catern.com
>> Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2023 16:31:21 +0000 (UTC)
>> 
>> * lisp/simple.el (completion-list-mode-map): Bind
>> minibuffer-{next,previous,choose}-completion.
>> (completion-setup-function): Mention bindings for
>> minibuffer-{next,previous,choose}-completion.
>> ---
>>  lisp/simple.el | 7 +++++--
>>  1 file changed, 5 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
>> 
>> diff --git a/lisp/simple.el b/lisp/simple.el
>> index 406f1008df3..59e1311eb2b 100644
>> --- a/lisp/simple.el
>> +++ b/lisp/simple.el
>> @@ -9697,6 +9697,9 @@ completion-list-mode-map
>>      (define-key map [right] 'next-completion)
>>      (define-key map [?\t] 'next-completion)
>>      (define-key map [backtab] 'previous-completion)
>> +    (define-key map (kbd "M-<up>") 'minibuffer-previous-completion)
>> +    (define-key map (kbd "M-<down>") 'minibuffer-next-completion)
>> +    (define-key map (kbd "M-RET") 'minibuffer-choose-completion)
>>      (define-key map "z" 'kill-current-buffer)
>>      (define-key map "n" 'next-completion)
>>      (define-key map "p" 'previous-completion)
>> @@ -10093,8 +10096,8 @@ completion-setup-function
>>  	(goto-char (point-min))
>>  	(if (display-mouse-p)
>>  	    (insert "Click on a completion to select it.\n"))
>> -	(insert (substitute-command-keys
>> -		 "In this buffer, type \\[choose-completion] to \
>> +        (insert (substitute-command-keys
>> +		 "Type \\[minibuffer-next-completion] and \\[minibuffer-previous-completion] to change completion, and \\[minibuffer-choose-completion] to \
>>  select the completion near point.\n\n"))))))
>
> Isn't this text too long for a single screen line?  If so, it will
> cause an annoying "jumping" of the mode line.

Good point, how about this wording:

diff --git a/lisp/simple.el b/lisp/simple.el
index 406f1008df3..26944f1f72d 100644
--- a/lisp/simple.el
+++ b/lisp/simple.el
@@ -10091,11 +10094,13 @@ completion-setup-function
       ;; Maybe insert help string.
       (when completion-show-help
 	(goto-char (point-min))
-	(if (display-mouse-p)
-	    (insert "Click on a completion to select it.\n"))
-	(insert (substitute-command-keys
-		 "In this buffer, type \\[choose-completion] to \
-select the completion near point.\n\n"))))))
+        (insert (substitute-command-keys
+	         (if (display-mouse-p)
+	             "Click or type \\[minibuffer-choose-completion] on a completion to select it.\n"
+                   "Type \\[minibuffer-choose-completion] on a completion to select it.\n")))
+        (insert (substitute-command-keys
+		 "Type \\[minibuffer-next-completion] or \\[minibuffer-previous-completion] \
+to move point between completions.\n\n"))))))
 
 (add-hook 'completion-setup-hook #'completion-setup-function)
 
Associated patch:


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From d551dd05ce14fbc950b98965e456bdac253650d0 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Spencer Baugh <sbaugh@catern.com>
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2023 12:30:00 -0400
Subject: [PATCH] Mention minibuffer-next-completion in completion-help

Now that it's not necessary to switch to the *Completions* buffer to
switch between and choose completions, we should make that clear in
the help text.  Let's also make the bindings uniform both in and
outside the *Completions* buffer so users don't have to think about
the difference.

In working with new users, they've assumed that since the help text in
*Completions* says "Click on a completion to select it", that that's
the only way to select a completion.  This text should help clarify
that.

* lisp/simple.el (completion-list-mode-map): Bind
minibuffer-{next,previous,choose}-completion.
(completion-setup-function): Mention bindings for
minibuffer-{next,previous,choose}-completion. (Bug#64425)
---
 lisp/simple.el | 15 ++++++++++-----
 1 file changed, 10 insertions(+), 5 deletions(-)

diff --git a/lisp/simple.el b/lisp/simple.el
index 406f1008df3..26944f1f72d 100644
--- a/lisp/simple.el
+++ b/lisp/simple.el
@@ -9697,6 +9697,9 @@ completion-list-mode-map
     (define-key map [right] 'next-completion)
     (define-key map [?\t] 'next-completion)
     (define-key map [backtab] 'previous-completion)
+    (define-key map (kbd "M-<up>") 'minibuffer-previous-completion)
+    (define-key map (kbd "M-<down>") 'minibuffer-next-completion)
+    (define-key map (kbd "M-RET") 'minibuffer-choose-completion)
     (define-key map "z" 'kill-current-buffer)
     (define-key map "n" 'next-completion)
     (define-key map "p" 'previous-completion)
@@ -10091,11 +10094,13 @@ completion-setup-function
       ;; Maybe insert help string.
       (when completion-show-help
 	(goto-char (point-min))
-	(if (display-mouse-p)
-	    (insert "Click on a completion to select it.\n"))
-	(insert (substitute-command-keys
-		 "In this buffer, type \\[choose-completion] to \
-select the completion near point.\n\n"))))))
+        (insert (substitute-command-keys
+	         (if (display-mouse-p)
+	             "Click or type \\[minibuffer-choose-completion] on a completion to select it.\n"
+                   "Type \\[minibuffer-choose-completion] on a completion to select it.\n")))
+        (insert (substitute-command-keys
+		 "Type \\[minibuffer-next-completion] or \\[minibuffer-previous-completion] \
+to move point between completions.\n\n"))))))
 
 (add-hook 'completion-setup-hook #'completion-setup-function)
 
-- 
2.41.0


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> Also, what about updating the documentation?

All the other relevant documentation that I know about has already been
updated to mention minibuffer-{next,previous,choose}-completion.

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* bug#64425: [PATCH] Mention minibuffer-next-completion in completion-help
  2023-07-02 19:14   ` sbaugh
@ 2023-07-03 11:21     ` Eli Zaretskii
  2023-07-03 12:53       ` Spencer Baugh
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2023-07-03 11:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: sbaugh; +Cc: 64425

> From: sbaugh@catern.com
> Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2023 19:14:06 +0000 (UTC)
> Cc: 64425@debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> > Isn't this text too long for a single screen line?  If so, it will
> > cause an annoying "jumping" of the mode line.
> 
> Good point, how about this wording:

OK, I think.

> > Also, what about updating the documentation?
> 
> All the other relevant documentation that I know about has already been
> updated to mention minibuffer-{next,previous,choose}-completion.

I don't see the additional bindings documented anywhere.
And neither can I find any reference to
minibuffer-{next,previous,choose}-completion.  What did I miss?





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* bug#64425: [PATCH] Mention minibuffer-next-completion in completion-help
  2023-07-03 11:21     ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2023-07-03 12:53       ` Spencer Baugh
  2023-07-03 13:16         ` Eli Zaretskii
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread
From: Spencer Baugh @ 2023-07-03 12:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: sbaugh, 64425

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>> From: sbaugh@catern.com
>> Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2023 19:14:06 +0000 (UTC)
>> Cc: 64425@debbugs.gnu.org
>> 
>> > Isn't this text too long for a single screen line?  If so, it will
>> > cause an annoying "jumping" of the mode line.
>> 
>> Good point, how about this wording:
>
> OK, I think.
>
>> > Also, what about updating the documentation?
>> 
>> All the other relevant documentation that I know about has already been
>> updated to mention minibuffer-{next,previous,choose}-completion.
>
> I don't see the additional bindings documented anywhere.
> And neither can I find any reference to
> minibuffer-{next,previous,choose}-completion.  What did I miss?

(info "(emacs) Completion Commands") documents M-<DOWN>, M-<UP>,
M-<RET>.

How about this?

diff --git a/doc/emacs/mini.texi b/doc/emacs/mini.texi
index 9bf4da67644..517a6262522 100644
--- a/doc/emacs/mini.texi
+++ b/doc/emacs/mini.texi
@@ -393,7 +393,7 @@ Completion Commands
 @vindex minibuffer-completion-auto-choose
 @item M-@key{DOWN}
 @itemx M-@key{UP}
-While in the minibuffer, these keys navigate through the completions
+These keys navigate through the completions
 displayed in the completions buffer.  When
 @code{minibuffer-completion-auto-choose} is non-@code{nil} (which is
 the default), using these commands also inserts the current completion
@@ -410,7 +410,7 @@ Completion Commands
 @itemx @key{prior}
 Typing @kbd{M-v}, while in the minibuffer, selects the window showing
 the completion list (@code{switch-to-completions}).  This paves the
-way for using the commands below.  @key{PageUp}, @key{prior} and
+way for also using the commands below.  @key{PageUp}, @key{prior} and
 @kbd{M-g M-c} does the same.  You can also select the window in other
 ways (@pxref{Windows}).
 





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* bug#64425: [PATCH] Mention minibuffer-next-completion in completion-help
  2023-07-03 12:53       ` Spencer Baugh
@ 2023-07-03 13:16         ` Eli Zaretskii
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2023-07-03 13:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Spencer Baugh; +Cc: sbaugh, 64425

> From: Spencer Baugh <sbaugh@janestreet.com>
> Cc: sbaugh@catern.com,  64425@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2023 08:53:11 -0400
> 
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
> >> From: sbaugh@catern.com
> >> Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2023 19:14:06 +0000 (UTC)
> >> Cc: 64425@debbugs.gnu.org
> >> 
> >> > Isn't this text too long for a single screen line?  If so, it will
> >> > cause an annoying "jumping" of the mode line.
> >> 
> >> Good point, how about this wording:
> >
> > OK, I think.
> >
> >> > Also, what about updating the documentation?
> >> 
> >> All the other relevant documentation that I know about has already been
> >> updated to mention minibuffer-{next,previous,choose}-completion.
> >
> > I don't see the additional bindings documented anywhere.
> > And neither can I find any reference to
> > minibuffer-{next,previous,choose}-completion.  What did I miss?
> 
> (info "(emacs) Completion Commands") documents M-<DOWN>, M-<UP>,
> M-<RET>.

Ugh, not indexed, and the command names aren't even mentioned...  How
are people supposed to find them?  Now fixed.

> How about this?
> 
> diff --git a/doc/emacs/mini.texi b/doc/emacs/mini.texi
> index 9bf4da67644..517a6262522 100644
> --- a/doc/emacs/mini.texi
> +++ b/doc/emacs/mini.texi
> @@ -393,7 +393,7 @@ Completion Commands
>  @vindex minibuffer-completion-auto-choose
>  @item M-@key{DOWN}
>  @itemx M-@key{UP}
> -While in the minibuffer, these keys navigate through the completions
> +These keys navigate through the completions

I don't understand this change: do you mean that these keys are
available not only in the minibuffer?





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* bug#64425: [PATCH] Mention minibuffer-next-completion in completion-help
       [not found] <4beb74b6-6bbc-4e0f-9b95-f95b7edf79b9@email.android.com>
@ 2023-07-03 13:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
  2023-07-03 13:31   ` Spencer Baugh
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2023-07-03 13:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Spencer Baugh; +Cc: sbaugh, 64425

> Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2023 13:19:27 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Spencer Baugh <sbaugh@catern.com>
> Cc: Spencer Baugh <sbaugh@janestreet.com>, 64425@debbugs.gnu.org
> 
>  > diff --git a/doc/emacs/mini.texi b/doc/emacs/mini.texi 
>  > index 9bf4da67644..517a6262522 100644 
>  > --- a/doc/emacs/mini.texi 
>  > +++ b/doc/emacs/mini.texi 
>  > @@ -393,7 +393,7 @@ Completion Commands 
>  >  @vindex minibuffer-completion-auto-choose 
>  >  @item M-@key{DOWN} 
>  >  @itemx M-@key{UP} 
>  > -While in the minibuffer, these keys navigate through the completions 
>  > +These keys navigate through the completions 
> 
>  I don't understand this change: do you mean that these keys are 
>  available not only in the minibuffer? 
> 
> Yes, my change adds bindings for them also in the completions buffer. So they can be used identically
> in both places.

Then the manual should say "in the minibuffer and in the completions
buffer".





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* bug#64425: [PATCH] Mention minibuffer-next-completion in completion-help
  2023-07-03 13:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2023-07-03 13:31   ` Spencer Baugh
  2023-07-03 13:43     ` Eli Zaretskii
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread
From: Spencer Baugh @ 2023-07-03 13:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: Spencer Baugh, 64425

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On Mon, Jul 3, 2023, 09:27 Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:

> > Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2023 13:19:27 +0000 (UTC)
> > From: Spencer Baugh <sbaugh@catern.com>
> > Cc: Spencer Baugh <sbaugh@janestreet.com>, 64425@debbugs.gnu.org
> >
> >  > diff --git a/doc/emacs/mini.texi b/doc/emacs/mini.texi
> >  > index 9bf4da67644..517a6262522 100644
> >  > --- a/doc/emacs/mini.texi
> >  > +++ b/doc/emacs/mini.texi
> >  > @@ -393,7 +393,7 @@ Completion Commands
> >  >  @vindex minibuffer-completion-auto-choose
> >  >  @item M-@key{DOWN}
> >  >  @itemx M-@key{UP}
> >  > -While in the minibuffer, these keys navigate through the completions
> >  > +These keys navigate through the completions
> >
> >  I don't understand this change: do you mean that these keys are
> >  available not only in the minibuffer?
> >
> > Yes, my change adds bindings for them also in the completions buffer. So
> they can be used identically
> > in both places.
>
> Then the manual should say "in the minibuffer and in the completions
> buffer
>

They are also available in regular buffers after triggering
completion-at-point. Should we note that too?

>

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* bug#64425: [PATCH] Mention minibuffer-next-completion in completion-help
  2023-07-03 13:31   ` Spencer Baugh
@ 2023-07-03 13:43     ` Eli Zaretskii
  2023-07-03 14:00       ` Spencer Baugh
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2023-07-03 13:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Spencer Baugh; +Cc: sbaugh, 64425

> From: Spencer Baugh <sbaugh@janestreet.com>
> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2023 09:31:11 -0400
> Cc: Spencer Baugh <sbaugh@catern.com>, 64425@debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> On Mon, Jul 3, 2023, 09:27 Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:
> 
>  > Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2023 13:19:27 +0000 (UTC)
>  > From: Spencer Baugh <sbaugh@catern.com>
>  > Cc: Spencer Baugh <sbaugh@janestreet.com>, 64425@debbugs.gnu.org
>  > 
>  >  > diff --git a/doc/emacs/mini.texi b/doc/emacs/mini.texi 
>  >  > index 9bf4da67644..517a6262522 100644 
>  >  > --- a/doc/emacs/mini.texi 
>  >  > +++ b/doc/emacs/mini.texi 
>  >  > @@ -393,7 +393,7 @@ Completion Commands 
>  >  >  @vindex minibuffer-completion-auto-choose 
>  >  >  @item M-@key{DOWN} 
>  >  >  @itemx M-@key{UP} 
>  >  > -While in the minibuffer, these keys navigate through the completions 
>  >  > +These keys navigate through the completions 
>  > 
>  >  I don't understand this change: do you mean that these keys are 
>  >  available not only in the minibuffer? 
>  > 
>  > Yes, my change adds bindings for them also in the completions buffer. So they can be used
>  identically
>  > in both places.
> 
>  Then the manual should say "in the minibuffer and in the completions
>  buffer
> 
> They are also available in regular buffers after triggering completion-at-point. Should we note that too?

Yes, but in another place, where completion-at-point is documented.





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* bug#64425: [PATCH] Mention minibuffer-next-completion in completion-help
  2023-07-03 13:43     ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2023-07-03 14:00       ` Spencer Baugh
  2023-07-06  7:43         ` Eli Zaretskii
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread
From: Spencer Baugh @ 2023-07-03 14:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: sbaugh, 64425

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Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

>> From: Spencer Baugh <sbaugh@janestreet.com>
>> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2023 09:31:11 -0400
>> Cc: Spencer Baugh <sbaugh@catern.com>, 64425@debbugs.gnu.org
>> 
>> On Mon, Jul 3, 2023, 09:27 Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:
>> 
>>  > Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2023 13:19:27 +0000 (UTC)
>>  > From: Spencer Baugh <sbaugh@catern.com>
>>  > Cc: Spencer Baugh <sbaugh@janestreet.com>, 64425@debbugs.gnu.org
>>  > 
>>  >  > diff --git a/doc/emacs/mini.texi b/doc/emacs/mini.texi 
>>  >  > index 9bf4da67644..517a6262522 100644 
>>  >  > --- a/doc/emacs/mini.texi 
>>  >  > +++ b/doc/emacs/mini.texi 
>>  >  > @@ -393,7 +393,7 @@ Completion Commands 
>>  >  >  @vindex minibuffer-completion-auto-choose 
>>  >  >  @item M-@key{DOWN} 
>>  >  >  @itemx M-@key{UP} 
>>  >  > -While in the minibuffer, these keys navigate through the completions 
>>  >  > +These keys navigate through the completions 
>>  > 
>>  >  I don't understand this change: do you mean that these keys are 
>>  >  available not only in the minibuffer? 
>>  > 
>>  > Yes, my change adds bindings for them also in the completions buffer. So they can be used
>>  identically
>>  > in both places.
>> 
>>  Then the manual should say "in the minibuffer and in the completions
>>  buffer
>> 
>> They are also available in regular buffers after triggering completion-at-point. Should we note that too?
>
> Yes, but in another place, where completion-at-point is documented.

OK, fair enough.  Actually, that part is already done, in (info "(emacs)
Symbol Completion").

So revised patch updating the minibuffer completion documentation:


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From 7c6bc1fc940252b65f2d63c98ff2d53f02699091 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Spencer Baugh <sbaugh@janestreet.com>
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2023 09:59:04 -0400
Subject: [PATCH] Mention minibuffer-next-completion in completion-help

Now that it's not necessary to switch to the *Completions* buffer to
switch between and choose completions, we should make that clear in
the help text.  Let's also make the bindings uniform both in and
outside the *Completions* buffer so users don't have to think about
the difference.

In working with new users, they've assumed that since the help text in
*Completions* says "Click on a completion to select it", that that's
the only way to select a completion.  This text should help clarify
that.

* doc/emacs/mini.texi (Completion Commands): Document new bindings.
* lisp/simple.el (completion-list-mode-map): Bind
minibuffer-{next,previous,choose}-completion.
(completion-setup-function): Mention bindings for
minibuffer-{next,previous,choose}-completion. (Bug#64425)
---
 doc/emacs/mini.texi | 12 ++++++------
 lisp/simple.el      | 15 ++++++++++-----
 2 files changed, 16 insertions(+), 11 deletions(-)

diff --git a/doc/emacs/mini.texi b/doc/emacs/mini.texi
index 9bf4da67644..8281c8cb9d4 100644
--- a/doc/emacs/mini.texi
+++ b/doc/emacs/mini.texi
@@ -393,11 +393,11 @@ Completion Commands
 @vindex minibuffer-completion-auto-choose
 @item M-@key{DOWN}
 @itemx M-@key{UP}
-While in the minibuffer, these keys navigate through the completions
-displayed in the completions buffer.  When
-@code{minibuffer-completion-auto-choose} is non-@code{nil} (which is
-the default), using these commands also inserts the current completion
-candidate into the minibuffer.  If
+While in the minibuffer or in the completion list buffer, these keys
+navigate through the completions displayed in the completion list
+buffer.  When @code{minibuffer-completion-auto-choose} is
+non-@code{nil} (which is the default), using these commands also
+inserts the current completion candidate into the minibuffer.  If
 @code{minibuffer-completion-auto-choose} is @code{nil}, you can use
 the @kbd{M-@key{RET}} command to insert the completion candidates into
 the minibuffer.  By default, that exits the minibuffer, but with a
@@ -410,7 +410,7 @@ Completion Commands
 @itemx @key{prior}
 Typing @kbd{M-v}, while in the minibuffer, selects the window showing
 the completion list (@code{switch-to-completions}).  This paves the
-way for using the commands below.  @key{PageUp}, @key{prior} and
+way for also using the commands below.  @key{PageUp}, @key{prior} and
 @kbd{M-g M-c} does the same.  You can also select the window in other
 ways (@pxref{Windows}).
 
diff --git a/lisp/simple.el b/lisp/simple.el
index b6efb06fc27..3513bb82293 100644
--- a/lisp/simple.el
+++ b/lisp/simple.el
@@ -9670,6 +9670,9 @@ completion-list-mode-map
     (define-key map [right] 'next-completion)
     (define-key map [?\t] 'next-completion)
     (define-key map [backtab] 'previous-completion)
+    (define-key map (kbd "M-<up>") 'minibuffer-previous-completion)
+    (define-key map (kbd "M-<down>") 'minibuffer-next-completion)
+    (define-key map (kbd "M-RET") 'minibuffer-choose-completion)
     (define-key map "z" 'kill-current-buffer)
     (define-key map "n" 'next-completion)
     (define-key map "p" 'previous-completion)
@@ -10064,11 +10067,13 @@ completion-setup-function
       ;; Maybe insert help string.
       (when completion-show-help
 	(goto-char (point-min))
-	(if (display-mouse-p)
-	    (insert "Click on a completion to select it.\n"))
-	(insert (substitute-command-keys
-		 "In this buffer, type \\[choose-completion] to \
-select the completion near point.\n\n"))))))
+        (insert (substitute-command-keys
+	         (if (display-mouse-p)
+	             "Click or type \\[minibuffer-choose-completion] on a completion to select it.\n"
+                   "Type \\[minibuffer-choose-completion] on a completion to select it.\n")))
+        (insert (substitute-command-keys
+		 "Type \\[minibuffer-next-completion] or \\[minibuffer-previous-completion] \
+to move point between completions.\n\n"))))))
 
 (add-hook 'completion-setup-hook #'completion-setup-function)
 
-- 
2.39.3


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* bug#64425: [PATCH] Mention minibuffer-next-completion in completion-help
  2023-07-03 14:00       ` Spencer Baugh
@ 2023-07-06  7:43         ` Eli Zaretskii
  2023-07-06 13:00           ` Spencer Baugh
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2023-07-06  7:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Spencer Baugh; +Cc: sbaugh, 64425

> From: Spencer Baugh <sbaugh@janestreet.com>
> Cc: sbaugh@catern.com,  64425@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2023 10:00:01 -0400
> 
> >> They are also available in regular buffers after triggering completion-at-point. Should we note that too?
> >
> > Yes, but in another place, where completion-at-point is documented.
> 
> OK, fair enough.  Actually, that part is already done, in (info "(emacs)
> Symbol Completion").
> 
> So revised patch updating the minibuffer completion documentation:

Thanks, this LGTM, but please don't use 'kbd' in simple.el.  With that
change, we can install this, I think.





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* bug#64425: [PATCH] Mention minibuffer-next-completion in completion-help
  2023-07-06  7:43         ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2023-07-06 13:00           ` Spencer Baugh
  2023-07-08  9:53             ` Eli Zaretskii
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread
From: Spencer Baugh @ 2023-07-06 13:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: sbaugh, 64425

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Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

>> From: Spencer Baugh <sbaugh@janestreet.com>
>> Cc: sbaugh@catern.com,  64425@debbugs.gnu.org
>> Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2023 10:00:01 -0400
>> 
>> >> They are also available in regular buffers after triggering completion-at-point. Should we note that too?
>> >
>> > Yes, but in another place, where completion-at-point is documented.
>> 
>> OK, fair enough.  Actually, that part is already done, in (info "(emacs)
>> Symbol Completion").
>> 
>> So revised patch updating the minibuffer completion documentation:
>
> Thanks, this LGTM, but please don't use 'kbd' in simple.el.  With that
> change, we can install this, I think.

Fixed.


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From 6724728e4b9608b98052b6690f659a355b2865e6 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Spencer Baugh <sbaugh@janestreet.com>
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2023 09:59:04 -0400
Subject: [PATCH] Mention minibuffer-next-completion in completion-help

Now that it's not necessary to switch to the *Completions* buffer to
switch between and choose completions, we should make that clear in
the help text.  Let's also make the bindings uniform both in and
outside the *Completions* buffer so users don't have to think about
the difference.

In working with new users, they've assumed that since the help text in
*Completions* says "Click on a completion to select it", that that's
the only way to select a completion.  This text should help clarify
that.

* doc/emacs/mini.texi (Completion Commands): Document new bindings.
* lisp/simple.el (completion-list-mode-map): Bind
minibuffer-{next,previous,choose}-completion.
(completion-setup-function): Mention bindings for
minibuffer-{next,previous,choose}-completion. (Bug#64425)
---
 doc/emacs/mini.texi |  4 ++--
 lisp/simple.el      | 15 ++++++++++-----
 2 files changed, 12 insertions(+), 7 deletions(-)

diff --git a/doc/emacs/mini.texi b/doc/emacs/mini.texi
index a760ad19f2d..1080c3b6d27 100644
--- a/doc/emacs/mini.texi
+++ b/doc/emacs/mini.texi
@@ -399,7 +399,7 @@ Completion Commands
 @findex minibuffer-choose-completion
 @item M-@key{DOWN}
 @itemx M-@key{UP}
-While in the minibuffer, @kbd{M-@key{DOWN}}
+While in the minibuffer or in the completion list buffer, @kbd{M-@key{DOWN}}
 (@code{minibuffer-next-completion} and @kbd{M-@key{UP}}
 (@code{minibuffer-previous-completion}) navigate through the
 completions and displayed in the completions buffer.  When
@@ -419,7 +419,7 @@ Completion Commands
 @itemx @key{prior}
 Typing @kbd{M-v}, while in the minibuffer, selects the window showing
 the completion list (@code{switch-to-completions}).  This paves the
-way for using the commands below.  @key{PageUp}, @key{prior} and
+way for also using the commands below.  @key{PageUp}, @key{prior} and
 @kbd{M-g M-c} does the same.  You can also select the window in other
 ways (@pxref{Windows}).
 
diff --git a/lisp/simple.el b/lisp/simple.el
index 406f1008df3..2b1a015f517 100644
--- a/lisp/simple.el
+++ b/lisp/simple.el
@@ -9697,6 +9697,9 @@ completion-list-mode-map
     (define-key map [right] 'next-completion)
     (define-key map [?\t] 'next-completion)
     (define-key map [backtab] 'previous-completion)
+    (define-key map [M-up] 'minibuffer-previous-completion)
+    (define-key map [M-down] 'minibuffer-next-completion)
+    (define-key map "\M-\r" 'minibuffer-choose-completion)
     (define-key map "z" 'kill-current-buffer)
     (define-key map "n" 'next-completion)
     (define-key map "p" 'previous-completion)
@@ -10091,11 +10094,13 @@ completion-setup-function
       ;; Maybe insert help string.
       (when completion-show-help
 	(goto-char (point-min))
-	(if (display-mouse-p)
-	    (insert "Click on a completion to select it.\n"))
-	(insert (substitute-command-keys
-		 "In this buffer, type \\[choose-completion] to \
-select the completion near point.\n\n"))))))
+        (insert (substitute-command-keys
+	         (if (display-mouse-p)
+	             "Click or type \\[minibuffer-choose-completion] on a completion to select it.\n"
+                   "Type \\[minibuffer-choose-completion] on a completion to select it.\n")))
+        (insert (substitute-command-keys
+		 "Type \\[minibuffer-next-completion] or \\[minibuffer-previous-completion] \
+to move point between completions.\n\n"))))))
 
 (add-hook 'completion-setup-hook #'completion-setup-function)
 
-- 
2.39.3


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* bug#64425: [PATCH] Mention minibuffer-next-completion in completion-help
  2023-07-06 13:00           ` Spencer Baugh
@ 2023-07-08  9:53             ` Eli Zaretskii
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2023-07-08  9:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Spencer Baugh; +Cc: sbaugh, 64425-done

> From: Spencer Baugh <sbaugh@janestreet.com>
> Cc: sbaugh@catern.com,  64425@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2023 09:00:24 -0400
> 
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
> 
> >> From: Spencer Baugh <sbaugh@janestreet.com>
> >> Cc: sbaugh@catern.com,  64425@debbugs.gnu.org
> >> Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2023 10:00:01 -0400
> >> 
> >> >> They are also available in regular buffers after triggering completion-at-point. Should we note that too?
> >> >
> >> > Yes, but in another place, where completion-at-point is documented.
> >> 
> >> OK, fair enough.  Actually, that part is already done, in (info "(emacs)
> >> Symbol Completion").
> >> 
> >> So revised patch updating the minibuffer completion documentation:
> >
> > Thanks, this LGTM, but please don't use 'kbd' in simple.el.  With that
> > change, we can install this, I think.
> 
> Fixed.

Thanks, installed on the master branch, and closing the bug.





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* bug#64425: [PATCH] Mention minibuffer-next-completion in completion-help
       [not found] <e7933bfa-c6e1-4586-b9f0-8bc3555329ef@email.android.com>
@ 2023-07-08 13:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2023-07-08 13:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Spencer Baugh; +Cc: sbaugh, 64425

> Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2023 11:36:44 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Spencer Baugh <sbaugh@catern.com>
> Cc: Spencer Baugh <sbaugh@janestreet.com>, 64425-done@debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> What about on emacs-29? Since this documents a feature new in that release.

It isn't only a documentation change.  It requires changes in key
bindings and in simple.el.  Sorry, too late for that.





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