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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: acm@muc.de, yantar92@posteo.net, 70077@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#70077: An easier way to track buffer changes
Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2024 21:36:41 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <86il0rya4m.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvcyqzdcmx.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (message from Stefan Monnier on Mon, 08 Apr 2024 13:17:37 -0400)

> From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
> Cc: 70077@debbugs.gnu.org,  acm@muc.de,  yantar92@posteo.net
> Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2024 13:17:37 -0400
> 
> >             Name    Type    Default
> >             ————    ————    ———————
> >             beg     t       (point-max)
> >             end     t       (point-min)
> >             before  t       nil
> >             next    t       nil
> >
> >   BEG..END is the area that was changed and BEFORE is its previous
> >   content[...]
> 
> OK, I'll switch the two, thanks.
> 
> > (Btw, those "t" under "Type" are also somewhat mysterious.  What do
> > they signify?)
> 
> `C-h o t RET` says:
> 
>     t’s value is t
>     
>     Not documented as a variable.
>     
>       Probably introduced at or before Emacs version 16.
>     
>     
>     
>     t is also a type.
>     
>     t is a type (of kind ‘built-in-class’).
>      Children ‘sequence’, ‘atom’.
>     
>     Abstract supertype of everything.
>     
>     This is a built-in type.

If this indicates that the slots are of built-in-class type, why do we
show the cryptic t there?

> >> >> +By default SIGNAL is called as soon as convenient after a change, which is
> >> >                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >> > "as soon as it's convenient", I presume?
> >> Other than the extra " it's", what is the difference?
> > Nothing.  I indeed thing "it's" is missing there.
> 
> My local native-English representative says that "both work fine"
> (somewhat dismissively, I must add).

In that case I'll yield, but do note that it got me stumbled.

> > In general, when I want to create a clean slate, I don't care too much
> > about the dirt I remove.  Why is it important to signal errors because
> > a state I am dumping had some errors?
> 
> I don't understand why you think it will signal an error?

Doesn't cl-assert signal an error if the condition is false?

> More to the point, it should signal an error only if I made a mistake in
> `track-changes.el` or if you messed with the internals.

I have the latter possibility in mind, yes.  Why catch me doing that
when I'm cleaning up my mess, _after_ all the damage, such as it is,
was already done?

> >> >> +;;;; Extra candidates for the API.
> >> >> +;; This could be a good alternative to using a temp-buffer like I used in
> >> >                                                                    ^^^^^^
> >> > "I"?
> >> Yes, that refers to the code I wrote.
> > We don't usually leave such style in long-term comments and
> > documentation.
> 
> `grep " I " lisp/**/*.el` suggests otherwise.

"A journey of a thousand miles begins with one first step."





  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-04-08 18:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-03-29 16:15 bug#70077: An easier way to track buffer changes Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-29 18:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-03-29 18:53   ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-30  6:34     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-03-30 14:58       ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-30 16:45         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-03-31  2:57           ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-04-01 11:53         ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-04-01 14:51           ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-04-01 17:49             ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-04-02 14:22               ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-04-02 15:17                 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-04-02 16:21                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-04-02 17:51                     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-04-03 12:34                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-04-03 12:45                         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-04-04 17:58                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-03-30  3:17   ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-30  5:09     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-29 22:20 ` phillip.lord
2024-03-29 22:59   ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-30  6:46     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-03-30 12:06     ` phillip.lord
2024-03-30 13:39       ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-03-30  9:51 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-03-30 12:49   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-03-30 13:19     ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-03-30 13:31       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-03-30 14:09   ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-04-05 22:12 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-04-06  8:43   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-04-08 15:24     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-04-08 15:53       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-04-08 17:17         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-04-08 17:27           ` Andrea Corallo
2024-04-08 18:36           ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2024-04-08 20:57             ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-04-09  4:10               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-04-08 20:45       ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-04-09  3:56         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-04-09 23:30           ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-04-13 13:44             ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-04-06 17:37   ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-04-06 19:44     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-04-07 14:40       ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-04-07 15:47         ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-04-07 14:07   ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-04-08 16:06     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-04-09 17:35       ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-04-10  2:02         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors

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